Jesus – Son of God, not God the Son

Any discussion about Jesus Christ must be approached with reverence and awe. Jesus occupies a unique place in God’s plan. He is the source of salvation, and central to God’s plan of redemption for mankind. Unfortunately, much of Christianity has misunderstood who Jesus was and is. This misunderstanding does not exalt Jesus, as they might claim, but instead makes a mockery of his life and work. For, if Jesus was God, as many claim, then He didn’t really suffer or die, because God is immortal. Let’s look at some of the facts the Bible teaches us about Jesus Christ, then deal with some of the wrong thinking about Him.

Facts Concerning Jesus

2,000 years ago, in Israel, Mary and Joseph, both descended from King David, were engaged to each other. The angel Gabriel visited Mary and told her that “the power of the Most High” (Luke 1:35) would “overshadow” her, and that she would conceive a child. God’s power (the Holy Spirit) caused Mary to become pregnant. An angel also told Joseph about this great event, and instructed him to name the child “Jesus” (a Greek version of the Hebrew name “Joshua”, meaning “God will save”), because “he shall save his people from their sins”.(Matthew 1:21) Mary was a virgin, so the conception of Jesus was one of the great miracles of scripture. Mary and Joseph did as they were instructed, and the child was born in a manger (feed trough) in a stable in Bethlehem. (Luke 2:7)

Notice that Jesus was “born”. Scripture never describes His coming into human existence as “God turning into man,” or similar terms. Jesus had a very clear beginning of existence, at the point of his conception. So He was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4) , Mary, yet God was His Father. He is called “Son of Man” (Mark 10:45) and “Son of God,” (Matt 27:43, 54) but never “God the Son”.

Jesus grew up as an ordinary child in an ordinary household. By the age of twelve, He had an extraordinary grasp of the Hebrew scriptures (the Old Testament). He was able to confound the religious experts with His understanding of God’s word, yet at the same time He remained obedient to His parents.(Luke 2:41-52)

At the age of thirty, Jesus began His public ministry, teaching the good news (“gospel”) of the Kingdom of God. The ceremony that marked this beginning was His baptism, by His cousin John The Baptist.(Mark 1:1,9). John understood that Jesus was destined to great things, and initially thought that he was unworthy to baptize Jesus, but Jesus insisted that this was the appropriate manner for Him to “fulfill all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15) – in other words, to demonstrate His obedience to God.

Jesus conducted his ministry with the help of twelve hand-picked men called apostles. (Luke 6:13-16). After 3 ½ years He was put to death by crucifixion. (Luke 23:33). This was a form of criminal punishment used by the Romans. (Luke 23:39-41). The Bible is very clear in emphasizing that Jesus did nothing deserving of death. (Acts 2:23-24; Acts 4:10-12; 1 Peter 2:21-24; 1 Peter 3:18). In fact, he lived a completely sinless life. (Hebrews 4:15). By human standards, His execution was completely unjust. However, this was all part of God’s plan of redemption for mankind, and showed God’s complete righteousness. (Romans 3:21-26) We’ll explain
more about this in a later article, titled “The Role of Christ Today”.

After 3 days inside a tomb, Jesus was miraculously raised from the dead. Unlike others who had been raised before him, such as Lazarus (John 11:43-44), He was raised to immortality. After 40 days, He ascended to heaven, from the mount of Olives, which is a hillside overlooking the city of Jerusalem. His disciples watched His ascent, as two angels stood by and told them that, one day in the future, Jesus would return physically and visibly to that exact same spot, to establish the Kingdom of God on earth forever. (Acts 1:9-11).

Jesus is now an immortal, glorified being who sits at the right hand of God, as the head of the Church, and High Priest of all who believe in His name and follow Him. (Hebrews 4:14-16).

Summary of the facts

  • Jesus was born
  • Jesus lived a life of obedience to and dependence upon God
  • Jesus was tempted, in the same ways all of us are tempted, but He never sinned
  • Jesus died
  • Jesus was raised from the dead by God
  • Jesus was made immortal
  • Jesus now sits on the right hand of God in heaven, waiting for the appointed time to return to earth.

These facts demonstrate the clear, simple truth of the Bible: Jesus was God’s son – a very special person, completely unique in mankind’s history- not only because of His family tree, but also because of His total obedience to God. But, Jesus was NOT God ! In fact, scripture is emphatic that He was a separate and distinct person from God:

“There is one God, and one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus” – 1 Timothy 2:5

Why Jesus Cannot Be God

The table below shows why Jesus cannot be God:

Jesus Reference God Reference
Is called ‘Son of God’ Luke 1:35 Is called ‘God the Father’ John 6:27
Was born Luke 2:11 Is from everlasting to everlasting Psalm 90:2
Was tempted Matthew 4:1-25 Cannot be tempted James 1:13-14
Overcame sin Hebrews 4:15 Cannot sin Matthew 5:48
Was obedient to God Philippians 2:9 Is supreme Psalm 24:1
Was seen 1 John 1:1 God cannot be seen 1 Timothy 6:16
Had limited knowledge Matthew 24:36 Knows everything 1 John 3:20
Died Acts 2:23 God is immortal – cannot die 1 Timothy 6:16
Was raised from the dead Acts 2:24 God raised Him ! Acts 2:24
Now sits at God’s right hand Acts 2:33 God’s throne always in heaven Psalm 103:19
Will return to earth Acts 1:11 Is everywhere present Psalm 139:7-16

Jesus Christ Glorified

Jesus Christ is worthy of our praise and devotion because of His life of total obedience to God, and because of the great sacrifice He made on our behalf. Jesus opened the way to salvation for all mankind because He submitted even to the point of death on the cross. (Philippians 2:8).

The Bible explains that this is the reason that Jesus was glorified, and is to be worshipped by us – not because He was God, but because He overcame sin by His sinless life, and so conquered death.(Acts 2:24) Examine these passages closely:

Hebrews 2:9 – But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.”
Acts 2:32-33 – “This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.”
Acts 3:13-15 – “The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him. But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.”
Hebrews 5:8-9 – “Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.”

Jesus Is Our Example

While it is true that Jesus was NOT God, He did show us, by His perfect life and character, what God is truly like. Before Jesus was born, people could know and understand God to a certain degree, but it required a completely obedient Son to fully demonstrate God’s character. (Hebrews 1:1-3). This is what John meant when he wrote “No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” (John 1:18 AV). The Bible also speaks of Jesus being the “likeness” of God, (2 Corinthians 4:4-6) just as Adam and Eve had been created prior to their sinning in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 1:27). He is a true and perfect representation of God’s character. As such, Jesus teaches us by His example how we can be like God – not just by the things He said, but by the way He behaved. And while none of us will ever be able to live completely sinless lives as Jesus did, it does not mean we should stop trying. God has provided us the best example we could possibly have to follow by giving His only Son. This is God’s ultimate expression of love to us,(John 3:16) and we should return that love by trying to live faithful lives of obedience to Christ’s commandments, for God’s glory.

This entry was posted in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink.

203 Responses to Jesus – Son of God, not God the Son

  1. Jenny says:

    Amen to that! Someone finally said it! I’ve thought this for years! Thank you — it makes me feel not so alone in my beliefs!

    • camden says:

      me too!!!!!!!!! whoo…really thought i was alone in this belief.thank you so much

    • Robert says:

      Should Jesus be refered to as “Lord”?

      • mak says:

        yes however should read “lord” not be capitalized!

        • qp says:

          Since “Lord” is a proper noun, it should be capitalized.

          • Nontrinitarian says:

            “God made Jesus lord” (acts 2:36) means the God caused Jesus to become king, not that God caused Jesus to become God. God was never “caused to become”, He is eternal and without beginning or causation. It doesn’t matter whether you capitalize “lord” or not… the point is that Jesus is lord (king, as in “my lord the King”) because God empowered him to be (“All power is GIVEN to me”), not because he is God.

    • R F says:

      (Deut.6:4) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: (The Shema)
      God is Eternal, He has lived forever, and He will continue to live forever, He can not die, and He never will die.
      God did not come down to Earth and die on the cross to save me from my sins, God is capable of doing almost anything, but He is not capable of sinning, and He is not capable of dying, because death is the penalty for committing sin. God is eternal, He can not die.
      Jesus is God’s only begotten Son, My Lord and Savior. I love Jesus dearly, because He lived a life of complete innocence from sin. And He died on the cross and He took the penalty of death in place of me. I deserved to be the one executed on the cross, not Jesus, He was innocent. He died in my place, but God didn’t; God has never died and He never will die, therefore God didn’t come down from Heaven and die on the cross to save me from my sins, Only Jesus The Son of God could do that; Because, like His Father,(and our Father in Heaven) He was completely innocent of sin, therefore, Jesus is not God, Jesus is The Son of God.
      It’s not possible for God to stop being God and become a man and die, because He’s Eternal. He always has been God, and He always will be God. He can not change into another form and die.
      If Jesus is God, then we’re still dead in our sins, because God can not die

      • Cliff Thurber says:

        God the Father , God the Son , God the Holy Spirit. God is so great and so beyond our grasp to understand that, it is understandable when us, as limited human beings, don’t get the God – Jesus connection. He did come to earth in human flesh. With human frailty and human limitations. But through the Father, He could also perform miracles.

        • Tippi says:

          There is no such thing as God the Son or God the Holy Spirit in the Bible. Only God the Father, Son of God and holy spirit (which is the holy spirit of God). God did come come in human flesh. God is spirit. God is invisible.

          • Eric says:

            that makes zer0 sense sir… I’m sorry that you believe the wrong thing… Jesus says in the Bible “I ascend to my Father and your Father, my God and your God” He is clearly the Son of God not God the Father himself. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son.. remember!

        • Douglas Thomasson says:

          I am afraid that you don’t understand the God-Jesus connection. God is the Only God. God begat his son Jesus. Man has invented the trinity dogma. The trinity dogma is false and a tool of satan. You must believe that Jesus is the only begotton son of God. God will reveal this to you if you humble yourself and seek God’s will.

        • Christy says:

          Spiritual test “who came in the flesh”
          1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
          2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
          3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

          • Rene Nielson says:

            You are correct, and the first I’ve heard from someone else, to draw the connection to the Anitchrist(s). The trinity dogma is such an antichrist. Christ means “sent one”, and Jesus, if he were god almighty, could not be the “sent one” or Christ, if he were in fact himself God. For one to be ‘sent’, then there must be a sender, two separate and clearly defined persons with their own ‘will’, the sent one doing the will of the sender.

            It was in fact perfectly necessary for it to be the case that Jesus were in fact NOT god, else Satan would have been the victor. Satan did not believe that there was a God. His claim against Jesus was that Jesus was illegitimately taking control. The only personage that the angels in heaven ever knew was “the Word”, Jesus who was “in the bosom position with the Father”.

            The deal was struck between God and the Devil. To prove true that God did in fact exist, and that Jesus’ claim, while even in heaven, that he was only doing his father’s will and not his own, it was agreed that Jesus would be manifest in the flesh, and that the Devil could prove through tests that the personage of Jesus on Earth was the same as he, the word, who was in heaven. And that then, Jesus, via the “sign of Jonah the prophet” would be killed and lay dead three days to be brought back to life by the Father himself. Satan was satisfied and agreed. It was done. Our Father, God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, brought our Lord back and set him firmly in Authority. The devil now proved a liar was vanquished to this Earth where he is currently walking among men, seething with anger and still trying to pass the old trinitarian lie that Jesus was not the Christ, but a false god.

        • Eric Hansen says:

          God is a loving God and your Father in Heaven so being a loving Heavenly Father; don’t you think that He would want such an important thing as His nature and exactly who He is to be known and easy to understand? why would He want to make that of all things complicated.. I mean that’s a pretty important aspect of who He is.. that’s one of the most important things because it’s a foundational thing and that’s one of the reasons why the trinity doesn’t really make any sense to me.. for one because there’s no “trinity” ever mentioned in the Bible anywhere ever and for two because knowing your Father in Heavens nature shouldn’t be that complicated.. why does it have to be this big mystery you have to just wonder about or pretend like you know how it works.. when Jesus is on the cross and says “Father forgive them for they know not what they do” is He talking to himself? or on Genesis 3:22 “And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil” I mean there’s so many passages where Jesus is obviously holding a conversation with His Father.. NOT COMPLICATED! trinity way too complicated for no reason.. I promise God wouldn’t do that to you.. He knows you are only human with a limited human understanding and this is why He wants to make it very easy for you to know Him.. wonder about other mysteries of Heaven you shouldn’t have to wonder about your Fathers nature!

      • Eric Hansen says:

        You and I and everyone in the world are now subject to a life of sin and death because we all gained something when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, we gained what they gained.. we gained the knowledge of good and evil which now allows us to become as God is.. but the penalty for this is that we are now subject to sin and death as Adam and Eve were. Was it worth it? I think so.. I am thankful to Adam and Eve for eating the fruit because now I Have the knowledge of good and evil and now I know why evil is the wrong way.. I am subject to the hardships of a life of sin and death but in the end it’s definitely worth it for what I gain
        Genesis 3:22
        22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
        But say for example a baby in the womb who dies or a new born baby that has never sinned yet.. they would have an automatic victory over sin and death as they remain perfect without sin while being subject to a sinful state.
        The point is to gain the knowledge of good and evil (being subject to sin and death) but to choose not to do what you were subject to.. if you choose not to sin you are essentially also choosing not to die while still gaining the knowledge of good and evil.. this is called Exaltation which means knowing good and evil but also no longer being subject to sin and death.. this is how God and His Son Jesus Christ are.. they are Exalted Beings, when Jesus died on the cross He not only saved you from your sins but His Sacrifice also did something els.. it gave the opportunity to those who choose it to become Exalted beings as God and Jesus are.

        • Admin says:

          Thanks Eric. I have a different perspective on sin. We are all born with a nature that is prone to sin. While a baby may not be capable of sinning, it still has sinful nature. We read of this in Romans- especially chapter 8 – the law of sin and death vs spirit and life. We are all born under the ‘law’ (principle) of being subject to sin and death. Romans 5:12 (ESV) reads: “Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned” – making it clear that we are all ‘sinners’. This does not mean we are guilty for Adam’s sin, but simply the consequences of that sin passed on to all his progeny – mortality (a dying condition) and sinful nature. The rest of Romans 5 explains this. This also explains why babies die, even though they have not personally committed any sin – they too are subject to the law of sin and death. Hope this helps.

          • Eric Hansen says:

            I understand what you are saying but I have to respectfully disagree with you on the point that we all have a sinful nature within ourselves automatically, the reason I say this is because God only creates perfect things, would that be creating perfect things if He created things with sinful natures? God created us with a sinless nature (as He wants us to choose not to sin) the same way he created Adam and Eve with a sinless nature to be without sin while being subjected to sin if they decided to make the choice. 1) God doesn’t create sin so why would he create us to have a sinful nature?
            2) there has to be free will.. if you are just automatically a sinner without any choice in the matter, then where would be the free will in that? God would never do that to you.. it has to be your choice. God created Jesus and Jesus didn’t have a sinful nature.. so why then would God create us with a sinful nature? Why would He say follow Jesus if there was no chance of us ever becoming like Jesus who has a sinless nature? that’s like saying learn everything you can from a black belt but you will never become a black belt yourself, you will always remain a white belt forever.. the reason God tells us to follow Jesus is because there IS a chance that we can become like Jesus if we choose the correct path forward.. what’s the point in God telling us to follow His Son (be Christ like) if there was zero chance of us ever eventually being like Christ? That would honestly be kind of pointless!

    • corine thomas says:

      I knew this all the time, so glad someone else explained it, no, we are not alone in our belief. Thank you Heavenly Father through your precious Son Jesus Christ for revealing this.

    • Joy says:

      I really felt alone after I felt like God revealed this to me. Cause I believed Jesus is God for a long time, I still can’t be open about it cause I feel I will be judged by my fellow Christians. I haven’t went to church for a while because of this, I pray God helps me get through this tough time.

      • Douglas Thomasson says:

        I too have been falsely judged by others who call themselves Christians. I have studied the bible for many years and the truth that Jesus is actually the only begotten son of God has been revealed to me by God. I believe that the trinity dogma is satan’s great attempt to cause many to lose their salvation and follow the antichrist. There has always been a “true remnant” who follow God. Remnant means a minority, not the majority. Many seek the kingdom of God but few actually find it.

      • Liz says:

        As a young child in Sunday school i always believed Jesus was son of God not God. And I thought many Christians believed the same! It wasn’t until i was in my thirties i found that they didn’t, I would quote bible verse to friends and some family and I was judge badly. I found that the family that had me in Christian school and took me to church believed Jesus was son of God. And I have wonder what have I heard differently as a child ? I have been to many churches though the years including my childhood denomination and as soon as I tell them what I believe they would try to convince me that Jesus is the son of God. So I stop going to church. I would love to find a denomination that believes Jesus is Son of God not God, so I would have a church ⛪ to go to!

    • Cathy Ragsdale says:

      Thank you so much!Camden,you aren’t alone,I too felt all alone in my beliefs!!

  2. LALA says:

    Amen. This explains well and makes more sense than the other blog I’d just read that was trying to prove “Jesus was God”. Now I can distinguish the truth. Some Christians will argued that “Jesus was God” because God is God and God can do anything including turning himself into a human. But will he really be The God of Love if he does so? No, because he will be like Satan, who thinks he have the power to trick men. God can just destroy anyone who is evil, but no he didn’t he gave human the choice.

  3. joseluis says:

    this is exactly they of my belief, by jesus christ being the son of god, and of course also eternal, with god.

  4. Duane says:

    THANK YOU!!! I have been trying to explain this to others but they refuse to hear it or even want to even make an attempt to understand it. Jesus says over and over that He is the Son of God and yet people completely skip over all of those verses. I have tried to point out one very important verse to them and that is..Matthew 10:33
    “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven”..but they still dont want any part of the truth.

    Thank you and God bless you.

    • ivan williams says:

      I totally agree with this teaching because according to John 1:1 and Genesis 1:2
      Jesus who is also called the Word. was alongside of God in the beginning. And the Holy Ghost also being present, as the Spirit of God that moved upon the face of the waters.
      According to Isaiah 45:5 says, I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me.
      Scripture CLEARLY states that the Jesus and the Holy Ghost are not God or fully God.
      I find that the Trinity and Oneness doctrines are both wrong and that they are misbuilt on the scripture found in 1 John 5:7 the words being, (are) and (one).
      Yeah I know how you feel when the church doesn’t want to see nor hear sound doctrine. After I shared what the Spirit of truth revealed to me, I tried sharing it, then they called other pastors to beat me over the head with scriptures of the bible but yet at the same time I see their misunderstandings of scripture and they themselves don’t see it. I wonder to myself, How is it that they being elders of the church do not see and understand this truth? Here I thought I was the only one that had this revelation of truth that Jesus is not God but is the Son of God and that the Holy Ghost also is not God but is the Spirit of God.

      • Bennet says:

        Trinity represents unity which God created. Him and what is in him are all same. We shouldn’t be even asking this question. God has unity from three that is Why it is Trinity. When we pray to God let us not separate anyone. In the mirror I see jesus and when I turn my face look back I see God the father. Spirit is the power of God. He has spoken thru the Prophets and has descended on earth in the form of a dove, in the form of fire. So we can’t now say is fire is God? Is dove God. It is complex to our human mind. Let ask help from God to guide us thru a Holy Spirit and teach us how to pray.

        • Shirley says:

          You are wrong, God is Our Father, Jesus is God Son, our savior and the Holy Ghost is God’s SPIRIT, our guide and comforter.

        • mak says:

          read matthew 6:5-6 and pray

        • Sheryl Ann says:

          Bennett, you said that we (as disciples of Christ) shouldn’t even be even asking the question of who Jesus (Yeshua) was, is, & will be. By what authority do you say this, we aren’t allowed to?
          The scriptures commended the Bereans for searching the scriptures daily, on their own time, to see if what the apostles were telling them was actually true. If it was okay to factcheck then, how come you say not to now?
          Scripture tells us to have an answer ready for those who may ask us WHAT we believe in & our REASON for our faith.
          How can a modern church leader, whether he or she be a Pope, pastor, minister, or modern theologian be a reason for anyone’s faith? Faith is placed in you by G-d, not fallible men. The scriptures say that.
          Yeshua told the Samaritan woman that since she did not know what she was believing in, she was at a great deficit in comparison with the Jews. So, Yeshua was saying not to walk around blindly, simply repeating the words of forefathers. Investigate & use your senses, while praying. Yet you say, I am not to challenge their veracity of doctines promoted by mere men. Yeshua was always challenging the Pharisees, & Yeshua told me to do as he did.
          If you say, follow blindly, regurgitate the rhetoric, & don’t ever challenge, simply comply, you are taking on the position of authority of a Pharisee. Yeshua showed time & again the Pharisees were two faced, liars, accusers, full of pride, we’re not promoting F-d’s will nor intent, & most importantly are not shepherds of the Father. Yeshua warned that unless you exceed the righteousness, you will not be able to enter the kingdom. In other words, most Pharisees have already received their reward on earth & may or may not even be candidates for the kingdom. So take care to not be like them.
          Yeshua never said I am G-d. Yeshua asked Simon Peter, Who do you say I am?, with Peter replying, You are the Son of G-d. Yeshua did not correct Peter, nor scold him. The discussion ended with Peter being witness to the fact that Yeshua is the Son of G-d. Why is that not sufficient for you?
          Yet, all of the Trinitarians, including you, feel the need, the strongest compulsion to correct, scold, & manhandle anyone who doesn’t add to Peter’s words, You are the Son of G-d.
          I’d like to think if those words were good enough coming from Peter, they’re acceptable coming from me 1988 or so years later.
          I have the testimony of Yeshua, I follow the commands of the Father, I’ve repented of my past sins & am keeping focused on both the Son & the Father, being filled with the spirit of holiness received from above.
          I won’t judge you. It is not my job. The Father has given Yeshua, His Son, full authority to judge. Yeshua clearly said Moses will accuse many. Words & deeds, especially if not repented of, will be brought forth as proof against those who aren’t covered by the blood of Yeshua. I’m sticking to the Word.
          And if you say, John 1:1, do study Koine Greek diligently for 15 years & come back to me. That verse has been bastardized by Trinitarians, ironically used as a proof text, & waved as a flag declaring war on believers in the Son of G-d. The same sentence structure with no article is ever elsewhere in scripture as an equal sign or proper noun. Likeness, having the attributes of, ____-like, similar to, or even being the spitting image of. Koine Greek is a very exacting language. If read in the original language & context, the New Testsment is a much different book than the liberal, feel good novel most Christendom portrays. So much truth is lost in translation.
          Men, man, & mankind are not necessarily denoting or including women. Newspeak English translations, promoting feminist, social, & political agendas, are trying to erase the clear meaning of scripture & foundational biblical principles. Works of the Satan.
          Another is that Yeshua is G-d. If people already believe in a 2nd & 3rd G-d in the form of a Trinity, how easy it will be for the Antichrist to walk right into the foretold Temple, sit right down, & also declare himself G-d. No offense, but Trinitarians are already more than halfway there.
          Shalom & Hallelujah!

          • qp says:

            The first issue I see is that you say “. . . a modern church leader, whether he or she . . .” A preacher must be male, as stated in 1 Timothy. “An overseer, then, must be above reproach [and] the husband of one wife . . .” (1 Tim. 3:2). Next, you say that Jesus isn’t God. This statement is proven false once the Bible has been studied thoroughly. Isaiah 9:6 states, “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; . . . [a]nd His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” This clearly states that Jesus is God. You said, “I won’t judge you. It is not my job.” Despite this, you condemn not only Bennett but all who believe in the Trinity by saying, “. . . all of the Trinitarians, including you, feel the need, the strongest compulsion to correct, scold, [and] manhandle anyone who doesn’t add to Peter’s words . . .” You also say that John 1:1 has been “bastardized,” yet you fail to provide how or a translation correct in your eyes. Next, you say that people who believe in the Trinity believe in multiple gods. This is false has Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are one. John 10:30 is the words of Jesus: “I and the Father are one.” You also say that Jesus is not God because Jesus does not rebuke Peter when he calls Him the Son of God. I can use this reasoning to prove that Jesus is God. In John 20:28, Thomas refers to Jesus as, “My Lord and my God.” In this case, Jesus did not rebuke Thomas or tell him that he is wrong. In case that wasn’t enough for you, here is some more evidence:
            “Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:1).

            “. . . according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form” (Colossians 2:8-9).

            “But of the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever . . .'” (Hebrews 1:8).

            “looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus” (Titus 2:13).

            “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end . . . I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star” (Revelation 22:13-16).

      • Jeremy Garcia says:


      • Barb Rekow says:

        Ivan Williams it’s weird to think that the people you thought would listen to truth didn’t , yet this is also a truth, some hearts God has closed to truth as He did in Jesus’s time. Some are predestined to be vessels of honor some are not. Not our will but His will is done. This too is a teaching that is foreign to many , doesn’t make it any less the truth! God has blessed you with the truth about His son- something to rejoice in !

      • At least I am not alone, I was beaten up about this too. I am no longer attending that Church. I am confused. Actually, I told them my heart is troubled.

      • Fritz Gerth says:

        I have a problem with the idea that we can not understand God. If you are right then Jesus is wrong because he said in John 1:18….he (Jesus) hath declared him (God). Take the words of Jesus and forget your theology and you will always be right.

    • Rachel says:

      I tell people I believe Jesus and God alone and THEY say Jesus is God’s son and God is the father of Jesus, how plain and simple is that?

  5. Amen. Right on. That’s Bible truth. See my book about the same, entitled The Restitution of Jesus Christ, at my website.

  6. admin says:

    Thank you, Kermit. It sounds like you and I share a lot of other common beliefs, too. See my page “What I believe the Bible teaches for salvation” – the link is at the top of this blog post.

  7. Steve Connor says:

    I am certainly open to this. My friend has been telling me this for 1 and 1/2 years and I have been rebuking it; however, this blog seems so sensible to me…….thank you I will take further thought on this…….may the Lord continue to bless your ministry. Could you please tell us what denomination you are?

  8. Benjamin Daniel says:

    All things you said has truth in it. You have to say who is Christ?

  9. Benjamin Daniel says:

    All that you said is Biblical but you left out Christ who was existing with God in eternity. That Christ was Jesus’ proved by the apostle paul. Is it not?

    • Donald Lee McDaniel says:

      I like what you write, except for your final words: “That Christ was Jesus’ proved by the apostle paul. Is it not?”.

      You have the words backward: While Jesus is the Christ, the Christ is also Jesus. Jesus [his name] cannot be separated from his title [“the Christ”].

      John says it best when he writes ” Whosoever refuses to confess that Jesus [the man from Nazareth] is the Christ, is of the spirit of antichrist”.

      Jesus IS “the Christ”, and “the Christ” IS Jesus of Nazareth. Period.
      To separate the man from his title is irreverent as well as illogical.

      To say that “the Christ” is different from “the man, Christ Jesus” is to deny that Jesus is truly a man. If we deny his true humanity, we deny him as “the Christ”, since “the Christ” is a true man. If we refuse to confess him [Jesus of Nazareth] as “The Christ”, we are of the spirit of antichrist. 1 John 2-5. Read it, and lay aside the heretical words of Trinitarians.

      Christ Jesus IS “the son of God” for a simple reason: because of his miraculous birth, as Gabriel told Mary [see this in the three synoptic Gospels]. It is NOT that “the Christ” existed as the man, Jesus of Nazareth, from Eternity, but that he [Christ Jesus] was “foreknown” before his birth, NOT “pre-existent as Jesus of Nazareth, or “the Logos of the Father, a Divine Person” before his birth, EXCEPT in the Eternal Plan of the Father [the ONLY true God].

      The Eternal Logos of the Father is NOT a person, it is the Mind and Plan of the Father, which has existed for Eternity [since the Father has existed from Eternity].

      The Plan of the Father was manifested to the world in and through His ONLY Anointed One, a man, begotten for that purpose. The revealed Plan of the Father [Who is the ONLY true God] is shown to us in human form, in Christ Jesus. He is a MAN, like all other men. To call him “God the son” is illogical and hurtful to all souls and churches who embrace the Trinitarian philosophy [for that is what it truly is, “a philosophical concept”, not true religion, and definitely IS a lie of the spirit of antichrist, as well as NOT glorifying to the Father.

      Donald Lee McDaniel

      • Christina says:

        Wow, very well said. I’ve been struggling with who Christ is for about two years. Much study and prayer have led me to agree with the views here. As I’ve dared to share it with only a handful of people, I find myself facing anger, shock, and haranguing. What is up with this? I mean, even if I was wrong a true Christian would talk with me about it peacefully-I only share what I’m thinking and seeing, I don’t state it as irrefutable truth or ask others to see it my way-I’m not that confident. It seems the church, after being co-opted by Rome, got so corrupted by paganism that truth was virtually lost, creating a “Christianity” that believed it was ok to burn and torture people, ban study of the Word, steal, kill and destroy (hmm, that sounds familiar) all in the name of “Jesus”, and in furthering their pagan agenda, their anti-Semitism and justifying their horrible deeds, they had to give Jesus “God” status-God himself was sanctifying their deeds! Crucifixes hanging everywhere, statues that you give sacrifices to, praying directly to Jesus, making “Jesus=God” the litmus test of salvation. And most traditional “Christian” churches today are just spin-offs of the Roman model-which really was only the Roman empire slapping the name “catholic” on itself and turning Jesus into a pagan god. It literally hurts and grieves to see such darkness. May we all come to truth in love and humility!

        • Mike Reddy says:

          I fully agree with Christina. The doctrine of the Trinity was formulated in the 4th century by the Roman Church to counter Arain beliefs that Jesus was the Son of God and not God. Early Jewish Christians were fiercely monotheistic. The believed in God the Father the God of Abraham, Isaacand Jacob and the believed in the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

        • AL KRIEGER says:

          RIGHT ON. TRULY WE MUST PRAY FOR THE CHURCH TODAY. THE DARK AGES HAVEN’T LEFT YET. The revelation of who Jesus is already said by Peter, “Thou art the Christ the son of the living God.” Matt;16:16-17

      • Sheryl Ann says:

        I couldn’t have said it better, Donald.

        Shalom & Hallelujah!

      • qp says:

        Your reasoning is flawed: you say that Jesus is the Christ, which is true, but that separating his name from this is “illogical.” If I choose to refer to our president (as of 2018) as “Donald Trump” instead of “President Donald Trump,” am I insinuating that somehow Donald Trump is not the president of the United States?

    • Charles says:

      The Christ had to be the son of a man (of the exclusively male line of David). So how could Jesus be the Christ; Jesus was the Son of God!

  10. Tracy Chesser says:

    What branch of Christianity comes closest to preaching / adopting your views set forth? Would be interested in advancing this view that I too have held for a long time.

    • Donald Lee McDaniel says:

      You might check out the “Christadelphians”, who are very Scriptural as to the nature and substance of Jesus the Christ.

      There are many branches of Biblical Christianity who reject the Trinitarian philosophies. Enter “anti-Trinitarian Christianity” in Google to read up on it. By the way, non-Trinitarian Christians are FEW and far-between nowadays. We are called “heretics” by the great majority of Christians. But we praise the Father because of this.

      Donald Lee McDaniel

      • Jenn says:

        Jehovah Witness, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, these religions do not acknowledge Jesus is God. So, you are not that unique. Just another cult among all cults.

        • Brian says:

          And you can also include the cults called baptists, methodists, presbyterians, catholics, lutherans etc. that believe in three gods which they try to explain away in a ridiculous pagan originated belief called the trinity. It’s amazing that these cults also believe in the ten commandments yet will say the fourth one has been changed, because they think man made doctrine can replace GOD’S, when it was the most observed commandment in the whole of Scripture. If you really study scripture and get out of this western churchianity mindset, as well as quit believing that everything you hear in the pulpit is the right on gospel truth, then you’ll discover so much more about GOD. When I finally started researching on my own my whole belief system changed because I wanted to know more about the one true GOD. The GOD of the Holy Scriptures is NOT a trinity of 3 equal, yet distinct persons. YESHUA is the Son of GOD not GOD (see John 17:3). The Holy Spirit is the “power” of GOD, the Spirit of the FATHER not a person. If you cross examine the trinity it just does not hold up in light of scripture.

          • Jeremy Garcia says:

            Thank you sir, couldn’t have said it better

          • Jannine says:

            I so agree Brian, but the first, non judgemental part of Jenn’s response points out what I perceive as a problem.
            If you do look up “non-trinitarian churches” you’ll end up with churches that are sectarian through their organizational upmake 🙁

            And we are called to fellowship aren’t we?

            We as a family attend a baptist church. Lovely people, mostly good teaching, great intentions etc.
            We have accepted that most people read the Bible differently and respect that…until within the sermon it is being said: “Jesus claimed to be God”
            What to do then?
            It is people twisting Jesus words into saying what their own conviction is…it is so wrong. Believe that Jesus is God if you are convinced so, but do not put words into Jesus’ mouth!
            That is downright Blasphemous.

            Pity, it is a nice group of God loving people and I do not mind at all that they believe certain things differently but I cannot just go to a church where my family(with pre teens wo are just getting into seriously studying the Bible at that) might be bombarded on any given Sunday morning with Blasphemous gunk like falsely quoting Jesus.

            I’d love to hear others thoughts, advice and perhaps links on this.

        • Jannine says:

          Why so judgemental Jenn?

        • Not bearing the fruit of the Spirit. Be kind

    • Tyler says:

      The Ministry I belong to has been teaching this for years

  11. Praise the Lord. Recently the Lord posted a comment as to who Jesus is. I no longer see it on this site. Could you please tell me why it was deleted? We must not put a stumbling block before God’s people and their salvation for Eternity. Jesus Christ is not God, as many antichrists are preaching. We must stand up for the truth of God’s Holy Word. Thank you, Sis. Barbara

  12. barak hammond says:

    Yes, this is the Bible truth, that Jesus is the Son, and Jehovah God is the Father, Simple as that, The Jehovah’s Witnesses have been teaching this Truth for over
    100 years. This started with Charles T. Russel the founder of the Watchtower
    Bible & Tract Society. The majority of the Churches of Christendom have been
    teaching False Doctrine,especially the Catholic Church. The Bible is very clear that
    the Trinity Doctrine is False.

    • Micah says:

      Charles taze Russel made false prophecies
      About the end of the world 1870’s 1914 also in 1975 was another failed prophecy of Jehovah witnesses I know because I use to be one. Deut 18:20-22 plus the bible says in acts 2:32 God raised Jesus from the dead. In john 2:19-21 Jesus said destroy this temple in 3 days I’ll raise it up but spake of raising His own body. Romans 8:11 the Holy Spirit raises up Jesus. Galatians 1:1 God the Father raises up Jesus. So you see the Father, Son and Holy Spirit raising up Jesus’ body. Plus Matthew 1:23 calls Jesus Immanuel God with us! Some people say they don’t believe He is God, why not it says very clearly God with us not Micheal not just a good man but God with us. Jesus is God

      • Jay says:

        For that simple fact that men deny that God gaved some one the authority to represent him, truly no other son of god can say gods with us just because of that man, but christ can the father is with him like no other.

      • Jeannie Todd says:

        God with us because he is of God. Not because he is God.

        • Bond says:

          That Jeannie is some of the “key” to it. What you just said I have stated for years. God is with us because Yeshua is OF God, the Holy Spirit is also OF God. Neither Yeshua nor the Holy Spirit is God, they are both FROM God, hence OF God but they are NEVER God at any time. Listen if you have ears. The Trinity is a mock from below.

        • qp says:

          He is not called Jesus because He is of God. He is called that because He is God. All Christians are of God as well, so why would Jesus be called this?

          John 1:12, “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.”

  13. jeff jeec plazo elliot says:

    Jesus Christ is God.

    • Dianne Alyssa Ambito says:

      Right. I would compare the situation between ants and humans. You would not understand how ants think, feel and act unless you become one of them. In the same way, God took on the form of human flesh so now we cannot say that He cannot understand us whenever we experience trials and temptation. He didn’t need to be baptized with water but He asked John to do it to set an example to the believers (Mark 3:13-15). He’s 100% God and 100% human, that’s why He’s called the Son of God. (Philippians 2:6 says, “who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped” – Bible Hub)

      • admin says:

        God is omniscient (all-knowing). He did not need to ‘come down in human form’ in order to understand us. He always understood us. Jesus, in contrast, ‘though he was a Son, learned obedience through the things which he suffered’ – Hebrews 5:8 – learning about humanity and the human condition – these were the lessons his Father wanted to teach him in order for him to be perfect.

        • Dianne Alyssa Ambito says:

          Philippians 2:5-11 says:
          5In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross! 9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

          Why are we going to bow down before Jesus if He is not God? He did not stop the people from worshipping Him, while He said, only God should be worshipped?

          Matthew 22:37 says, “Jesus replied: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.”
          This verse says that we the Lord is our God and on the Phil. 2:11 it says Jesus Christ is Lord.

        • Chas says:

          Total agreement here. Since God knows everything, from beginning to end, He has always known that we humans would cause suffering. Jesus was an example, to show us the need for obedience to God. If we are able to hear and obey what God wants us to do, then we are doing what is right (i.e. being righteous).

  14. jeff jeec plazo elliot says:

    “There is one God, and one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus” – 1 Timothy 2:5

    • ivan williams says:

      Who is the mediator who stands in between God and man? Jesus. This scripture also testifies that Jesus IS NOT God. Simple to understand.
      That is why Jesus said, No man comes unto the Father but by me. It’s Jesus who gives us access to our heavenly Father.

  15. camden says:

    i am so glad to finally see that i am not alone in the belief that jesus the christ is the son of GOD…as he says he is 🙂

  16. No says:

    Jesus said “There is ONE WHO IS GOOD, GOD”
    So let me ask you this:
    Is Jesus good?

    • Brandon says:

      If thats not begging for a loophole, than what is?

      Can God create a rock he himself cannot lift?

      Whelp, than all is lost… Let’s all worship Satan.

      We are showing legit, biblically written contrast between who we all know as God and, who we all know as The Son of God. You mention what appears to be a stand alone contradiction that could be looked into further and im guessing; better understood.

      Perhaps what Jesus was referring to there was deeper than surface level understanding. Also, Jesus, the only sinless man, took on the sins of the world, making him for at least that moment potentially “less good”. Perhaps this is why for the first time in his existence, he felt separation from God and asked His Father why he had forsaken him. (Also making, by Jesus’s definition, less good than God.

    • Ramses says:

      Jesus also said I do nothing of my own but only the will of my father(John 12:49) (Deut. 18:18,19)He can only be called good because he was obedient, he said and did only what the father commanded

  17. Iron Will says:

    Finally! Trust me, where I live this is blasphemy and you are labeled a heretic! I love YESHUA, HE is the SON of ELOHIM but HE is not ELOHIM and HE has been given all authority by HIS FATHER WHO is the one and only true ELOHIM.

    • Bless U says:

      This is the truth. God (Elohim) or His personal name YHWH is the only true God. He is our Father and Jesus Christ is His Son and the Promised Messiah in which we are saved through but he is not God. The Bible makes it clear. Jesus always refered himself to “The Son of Man” or “The Son of God” but he NEVER called himself God or “God the Son.”

  18. You missed one very important point in your study, when God (The Holy Ghost) came down and settled down upon Jesus and (remained with him) a voice spoke (God’s voice) and said “This is my beloved son IN whom I am well pleased. IN whom. God entered into Jesus making him the Christ, the anointed one at that point and The Word became flesh right there in the river Jordan. Then in Gethsemane The Spirit of God had to leave him so that he could die as a mortal. On the cross he cried out, “My God, My God, why hast though forsaken me”. That means that God had to abandon His son that me might die as a mortal.

    Melchizedek was without Father without mother having no beginning of days and ending of life. He was called the King of Salem, the King of Peace. Jesus was born and died, of course God can not die he is the only immortal King. But Jesus is known as the Prince of Peace, and the prince is the son of a King.

    No. 1) There is only One God and He is the Father of Jesus Christ, Only One person is God, there’s only One God.
    Exodus 20: 2-3 I am thy God, Thou shalt have no other,
    Deut 6:4 The Lord our God is One Lord,
    John 17:3 The Only True God John 8: 54 he is your God:
    Isaiah 54:5 The Holy One of Israel, Not two, not three but one.
    Romans 15:6 God, even Thy God,
    John 20:17 To my God and your God
    1 Corinthians 8:6 One God, the Father,
    1 Corinthians 15:4& 24 To God, even Thy Father,
    2 Corinthians 1:3 God, even Thy Father
    Ephesians 1:17 God of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all,
    1 Thessalonians 3:13 God, even our Father,
    2 Thessalonians 2:16 God, even our Father,
    James 3:9 God, even our Father,
    2 John 3 From God the Father, Jesus Christ the son of the Father
    Revelations 3:12 My God, my God, my God, my God

    No. 2) Jesus has a God. God is sovereign, He doesn’t answer to anyone. He has no one above Him that is God. Therefore, if Jesus (the Son of God) is God, then why does He speak of another who is God? And if Jesus has a God, then who is this God if Jesus Himself is God? Therefore, Jesus, was not “God the Son”, but He was the “Son of God”. He had a God and that God was His Father and that Father indwelt Him.

    John 20: 17 to my God, and your God,
    Revelations 3:12 My God, My God, My God, my God
    Psalms 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
    Mark 15: 34 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
    Matthew 27:46 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

    Forsaken means “totally abandon”. Can God abandon Himself?
    2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord
    Ephesians 1:3 The God and Father of our Lord
    Ephesians 1:17 The God of our Lord Jesus Christ
    1 Peter 1:3 The God and Father of our Lord
    Hebrews 1:8, 9 God, even thy God, hath anointed
    Psalm 45:6, 7 God, thy God hath anointed thee
    Revelation 1:6 Unto his God
    2 Corinthians 1:3 God of our Lord Jesus
    Hebrews 5:7, 8 Offered up prayers unto him
    Luke 6:12 All night in prayer to God
    Matthew 11:25 O Father, Lord of heaven and earth
    John 17:1 Father, the hour is come
    Matthew 26:39, 42 My Father, if it be possible

    No. 3) Jesus never claimed to be God, but the Son of God.
    Psalms 45:6-7 God, Even thy God hath anointed thee
    Matthew 16: 16 The Son of the living God.
    John 8: 54 my Father whom ye say, that he is your God:
    John 10: 36 I am the Son of God?
    Ephesians 1:3, 17 the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Hebrews 1:8 Unto the Son he saith
    Hebrews 1:9 God, Even thy God hath anointed thee
    Romans 15: 6 God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 8: 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father,
    2 Corinthians 1:3, 11: 31 God and Father of Jesus Christ,
    2 Corinthians 1: 3 God, even Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    1 Peter 1:3 the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
    2 Peter 1: 17 God the Father …This is my beloved Son,
    2 John 1: 3 God the Father, and Jesus Christ, Son of the Father,
    2 John 1:9 hath both Father and the Son.
    Revelations 1:6 Unto God and his father

    And what about Jesus Himself, what did He have to say about his relationship with His own Father?

    John 20:17 my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 2: 16, 5:17,43, 6: 32, 65, 8:19, 28,38,49,54 10:17,18,25, 29,30, 32,37 12:26, 14:2,7,12,20,21, 23, 15:1,8,10,24 18:11, 20:21, “My father

    No. 4) How was Jesus and God one? Answer: God is the Word and His Word is Life, Jesus manifest God’s Word, God’s God-Life.
    John 10: 30–38 I and my Father are one, My father dwelleth in me…
    John 14:8-10 you see me you see my Father, My Father dwells in Me,
    Matthew 12: 18 in whom my soul is…: I will put my spirit on him,
    Mark 1: 11 Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am…
    Matthew 17: 5 This is my beloved Son, in whom I am…
    Matthew 3: 17 This is my beloved Son, in whom I am…
    John 17:11 they may be one, as we are. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, they also may be one in us: 22 the glory which thou gave me I’ve given them; that they may be one, even as we’re one: We are one with God by receiving His Glory. Glory =Greek “doxa” means opinion, values, judgment of God.

    No. 5) God is Greater than Jesus. Jesus was subject to His Father
    John 10:29 My Father is greater than all
    John 14: 28 for my Father is greater than I.
    Matthew 20:23 Prepared of my Father
    1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Subject to Father
    Zechariah 3:8 My servant the Branch
    Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant in whom
    Philippians 2:7,8 as servant
    Romans 5:19 Obedience of one.
    Hebrews 1:9 Thy God hath anointed thee
    Psalms 45:6-7 The God hath anointed thee
    Hebrews 5:7,8 Offered up prayers unto Him
    Luke 6:12 all night in prayer unto God
    Matthew 11:25 O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth
    John 17:1 Father the hour is come
    Matthew 26: 39, 42 My Father if it be possible
    I Corinthians 11:3 The head of Christ is God
    1 Corinthians 3:23 Christ is God’s…
    Matthew 20:23 Not mine to give but my Father
    1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Son himself subject to Father

    Jesus admits the Father is greater than He. This word Greater was translated from Greek word meaning not only “greater” but also “older”. When Trinitarian tells you that Jesus was co-eternal and co-equal with His Father, how can he when the Son himself denied he was. All sons have beginnings. Then how could the Son be the Eternal Father?

    Isaiah 9: 6 (A) “For unto us a child is born”, if born has a beginning, therefore not eternal…if born someone before him to give birth to him. Born suggests pedigree and lineage, also suggest to bring forth.
    (B) unto us son is given: He’s a gift, giver is greater than gift. John 3:16
    (C) government shall be upon his shoulder: Luke 1: 32 called Son of the Highest: Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
    (D) his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Now, let’s examine the last portion which deals with the name of this child, this Son that will be born: Wonderful, (is wonderful a name? No.) Counselor, (is counselor a name? No. It’s a title.) Mighty God, (is Might God a name? ) The everlasting Father, (Is Father a name? No!) The Prince of Peace ( Is Prince of Peace a name? No.) Now, there’s only one name of the Ever Lasting Father, the Mighty God, the Counselor, etc. That name is Jesus. What then does it mean His name shall be “called”. This word “called” was translated from the Hebrew word “qara” which means “To proclaim” His name shall proclaim the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father. Father’s name.

    No. 6) Jesus came in his Father’s name, Father’s name is Jesus.
    John 5: 43, 10:25 I am come in my Father’s name,

    Therefore the name of the Father was Jesus, the same name given to the Son. The Apostle Paul said, “God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto Himself”. He didn’t say God was Christ, but “God was In Christ”.

    2 Corinthians 5: 19 “God was in Christ”, Paul is not teaching here that Jesus was the Fullness of the Godhead, but he is teaching that IN Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead.

    Colossians 2:9 in him dwells all fullness of the Godhead bodily. Peter did not teach that the Holy Ghost was Jesus, but witnessed God the Father spoke and said that He came down and dwelt IN His Son.

    2 Peter 1: 17 God the Father, This is my beloved Son, in whom I
    John 10: 25 works I do in my Father’s name, bear witness of me.

    No. 7) Jesus Prayed to his Father who is God.
    John 14: 16, John 16:26, John 17:9, 15, 20 I pray Matthew 6: 9, Matthew 11: 25, Matthew 14:23, Matthew 26:36, 39, 42, 53, Luke 6:12, Luke 9:28, Luke 11:2, Mark 6:46, Hebrews 5:7,8

    No. 8) Son of God could learn, could increase his knowledge.
    Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience
    Luke 2:52 Jesus increased in wisdom, stature, favor with God…

    No. 9) Jesus was Obedient to his Father in all things. God can not be obedient to anyone outside Himself if He is the Only Omnipotent God.
    Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience
    John 5:17 My father worketh hitherto and I work
    John 5:19 The son can only do what he sees the father do first
    John 5:30 The son can of Himself do nothing
    John 8: 29 I do always those things that please him.
    John 10:18 This commandment received I of my Father
    John 10:25 the works I do in my Fathers name
    John 10:32 works I showed you from my Father
    John 12:49 Father gave me commandment what to say and do
    John 12:50 as my Father said to me so I speak
    John 14:31 The Father gave me commandment

    No. 10) Jesus was made perfect. This means the Son of God could change in His stature, wisdom and maturity.
    Hebrews 5:9 being made perfect, if he was made perfect then he was not born that way. Malachi 3:6 & Hebrews 13:8 God can not change Luke 2:40 the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, (maturity) and in favor (influence) with God and man.

    No. 11) Jesus was not Omniscient, God is Omniscient.
    Isaiah 40:13, 14 Jesus received his knowledge from God
    John 8:28, of that day/hour knoweth no man … but my Father only
    Mark 13:32 of that day/hour knoweth no man…my Father only
    Matthew 24:36 “of that day/hour knows no man, my Father only
    Luke 2:52 Jesus increased in wisdom and stature
    John 5:19 the Son can do nothing but what the Father shows him
    John 8:28 My father hath taught me
    Mark 13:32 no man knows the day, neither the son, the father only

    No. 12) The son of God is subject to God in all things.
    I Corinthians 15:28 the Son also himself shall be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
    John 5:19 The son can of himself do nothing
    John 5: 30 The son can of himself do nothing
    John 8: 29 I do always those things that please him.
    John 10:18 This commandment received I of my Father
    John 12:49 Father gave me commandment what to say and do
    John 12:50 as my Father said to me so I speak
    John 14:31 The Father gave me commandment

    No. 13) Jesus dependent upon Father to restore His Glory.
    John 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. This tells us that he had it but stepped aside from it, and now is asking for it to be restored to Him again. Most notable is the fact that He stripped Himself of all privilege when he came to earth to take on the form of man, and emptied Himself out completely and took on the nature of a bond-slave. The Weymouth Translation says, “Although from the very beginning He had the nature of God, He did not reckon equality with God a treasure to be tightly grasped. Nay, He stripped Himself of His Glory, and took on Him the nature of a bondservant, a man like other men. As a bond slave, the main attribute expressed is submission to the will of the slave owner.

    No. 14) Jesus was dependent upon the will of God His Father.
    Hebrews 10:7 I come to do thy will, O God
    Hebrews 10:9 I come to do thy will, O God.
    Luke 11:2 Thy will be done
    Luke 22:42 Not my will but Thy will be done
    Matthew 6;10 Thy will be done
    Matthew 26:42 Thy will be done
    Matthew 7:21 he that doeth the will of my Father
    Matthew 12:50 whosoever shall do the will of my Father
    John 5:30 I seek not my own will but the will of my Father
    John 6:38 I came down not to do my will but His will that sent me
    John 8:29 I always do those things that please Him

    No. 15) God and Jesus are not one like your finger is one,
    John 5:32 two must bear witness, another beareth witness of me
    John 5:36 another bears witness of me. A greater witness, the father…
    John 5:37 Father himself, which sent me, has borne witness of me
    8:17-18 the testimony of two me is true, I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me

    No. 16) Jesus was dependent upon His Father for His Doctrine.
    John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
    John 10:18 This commandment received I of my Father
    John 12:49 Father gave me commandment what to say and do
    John 12:50 as my Father said to me so I speak
    John 14:31 The Father gave me commandment

    No. 17) The Father sent the Son.
    I John 4:1 Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
    John 5:23, 5:30, 5:36, 5:37 Father sent me, the Father sent me.
    John 6:39, 6:44, 6:57 The Living Father hath sent me
    John 20:21 As my Father sent me
    John 8:16, 18 the Father that sent me
    John 8:29, 42 I did not come of my own but the Father sent me
    John 10:36 Whom the father sanctified and sent into the world
    John 12:49 the Father which sent me
    John 14:24, the Father which sent me
    John 17 :21, 17:25 believe that thou hast sent me

    No. 18) God raised up Jesus from the dead he didn’t raise Himself.
    Acts 2:24, 32 This Jesus hath God raised up
    Acts 3:15, 26 God raised up his son Jesus
    Acts4:10 God raised from the dead,
    Acts 5: 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus,
    Acts 10: 40 Him God raised up
    Acts 13:23, 13:30, 13:33, 13:34, 13:37 God raised him
    Acts 17:31 But God raised him from the dead:
    Ephesians 1:20, 2:6 God raised up Jesus
    Romans 4: 24, 6: 4, 8:11, 10:9 God hath raised him from the dead
    Galatians 1:1 God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
    1Corinthians 6: 14, God raised up 15:15 God raised up Christ
    2 Corinthians 4:14 He that raised up the Lord Jesus from the dead
    Colossians 2:12 God who hath raised him from the dead
    1 Peter 1:21 God raised him up
    1 Thessalonians 1:10 raised up his son

    No. 19) Jesus died, God can not die.
    2 Corinthians 4:10 The dying of the lord Jesus
    1 Thessalonians 4:14 Jesus died and rose again
    John 19:40 they buried the body of Jesus
    John 12:7 Mark 9:31 Mark 10:34 Jesus spoke of his death
    John 19:33 they saw that Jesus was already dead
    I Corinthians 15:3 Christ died for our sins 1 Timothy 6:15-16 Who only hath immortality 1 Timothy 1:17 unto the King eternal immortal invisible

    No. 20) Jesus hungered, thirsted Weary, God Is spirit
    Matthew 4:2, Jesus hungered
    Mark 11:12 he was hungry
    John 19:28 I thirst
    John 4:6. being wearied with his journey
    Psalm 121: 3, Psalm 121: 4 God neither sleeps nor slumbers

    No. 21) Jesus was Tempted, God can not be tempted
    Matthew 4:1 Jesus was tempted
    Mark 1:13 Jesus was tempted
    Luke 4:2 Being 40 days tempted of the devil

    No. 22) Jesus Suffered, God can not suffer
    Luke 24:26, 24:46 Ought not Christ to have suffered
    Acts 3: 18, 17: 3, 26:23 that Christ should suffer
    1 Peter 1:11 Sufferings of Christ
    1 Peter 2:1 Christ suffered for us
    1 Peter 3:18 once suffered for our sins
    1 Peter 4:1, 4:13 Christ hath suffered for us
    1 Peter 5:1 Suffering’s of Christ

    No. 23) Son received Life from Father. Father is author of Life.
    Luke 1:35 that Holy thing shall be called the son of God
    John 5:26 Father hath life in himself; He gave to Son to have life.
    John 6:57 I live by the father

    No. 24) The Man Jesus is the mediator between God and Man.
    1 Timothy 2:5 One mediator between God & man, man Jesus.
    Galatians 3:20 A mediator is not of One, but God is One. A mediator is a 3rd party in dispute between 2 others.

    No. 25) God Exalted Jesus. He who exalts self shall be abased.
    Philippians 2: 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him
    Acts 2: 33, 5: 31 Him hath God exalted
    Matthew23:12, Luke14:11,18:14 Who exalts self shall be abased;

    No. 26) Jesus Anointed Lord & Christ by God His Father.
    Luke 1:31-33 God shall give him his throne Rev. 3:21 On fathers throne
    John 5;22, 5:27 Father commits authority to son to execute judgment
    Acts 2:36, God hath made Jesus both Lord and Christ
    Acts 10:38, 10:42, God anointed Jesus with Holy Ghost,
    Acts17:31 God hath made this same Jesus Lord and Christ

    No. 27) The Son of God is not sovereign, God is sovereign.
    John 5:17 Jesus accused by Jews for working on Sabbath because He healed on Sabbath. His answer is found in verse17. But Jesus answered them, My Father works hitherto, and I work.18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but He said that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 19 Then answered Jesus unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things so ever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Jesus tells the Jews he’s helpless unless the Father shows him what to do. He says, the Son can do nothing. Then the son cannot save, he cannot heal, he cannot redeem, he can do nothing, unless shown by the Father what to do. These are not the words of One who is Sovereign.

    But God is Sovereign. God is Omniscient and Omnipotent.

    1. One who is sovereign answers to no one.
    2. One who is sovereign reigns supreme above all.
    3. One who is sovereign is completely independent of all others.

    Therefore, the Son of God is not Sovereign, God alone is sovereign. Jesus was completely dependent upon his Father to act and speak. He did not have his own words, works, nor doctrine, and he subjected His own will to his Father. It is God that is sovereign and He indwelt his Son who was dependent on Him in all things. God is Omniscient, God is Omnipotent, but his son is always dependent on His Father for everything including; speaking, acting, His doctrine, and even submitting His own will to the Father’s will.

    Jesus said, “Father, I would that you take this cup from me, But not My will but Thine be done”, etc. Those are not words of a sovereign. All scripture speaking of the son show he is not sovereign. John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. Notice Jesus was dependent on God to show Him a vision of what to do.

    John 5:21 For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens them; even so the Son quickens whom The Father wills. John 5:22 For the Father judges no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

    Romans 15:5 The God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

    John 12:44 He that believes on me, believes him that sent me.

    John 5:23 all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which hath sent him. When we honor the Son we honor the Father, because the Son only does what the Father instructs Him to do. Thus what we see is the Father working and the son working hitherto. When we give honor to the son we acknowledge the Father’s pre-eminent role, and the son’s role of complete obedience to His Father.

    John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, & shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
    John 14:10b The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he doeth the works.

    Trinitarians use several arguments to explain how God and Jesus are one like your finger is one. Oneness only do the same, but with a different application. Whereas Trinitarians see at three individuals involved, they try to make them one like a triangle with three corners. But God and His son are one by God’s Word. God is the Word, and His Word was expressed in the person of His son. The following Scriptures Trinitarians use to try to explain a Trinitarian Godhead.

    Philippians 2:6 Being in the form of God Colossians 1:15 The image of the invisible God 2 Corinthians 4:4 Christ, who is the image of God John 12:45 He that seeth me seeth him John 14:9 he that hath Seen me hath seen the Father Colossians 1:19 In him all fullness dwell Colossians 2:9 In him dwelleth all the fullness Hebrews 1:3 Express image of his person

    These scriptures can be broken down into two categories of argument. One, they believe that Jesus was in the form of God means that He is God. This they reason because they do not understand English. A Form or image is not the same as the original. And they do not understand God-life.

    Bible teaches us God placed in the woman’s womb the complete body.

    Hebrews 10:5 “A body hast thou prepared me” (ie: both egg and sperm) Hebrews 1:3 The man Jesus (the body, the son of God) was born with every attribute and characteristic that was in God. In other words, God infused his Divine DNA so to speak, (all that He was intrinsically into the gene pool of the son of God) and therefore that Body was a living breathing replica of the Father, but it was not the father, but in “the Image” of the Father. And if it is an image of it is not the Father Himself. This doesn’t suggest for one minute that Jesus the son of God is God the son. “image” means likeness or impressed character. Jesus was the physical expression of God-Life in the man. His character reflected all that is God or that God-Life could be expressed in a physical body. Therefore, Men could know God’s character e by looking at the life of Jesus. His life revealed holiness, righteousness, justice, love, mercy, loving-kindness, truth, sincerity, and faithfulness. Jesus was godly; He was God-like in character and conduct. Jesus was not God Himself; He reflected God’s character in His life.

    • admin says:

      Hi Brian,

      Thanks for your long and detailed reply, most of which I agree with. One point of difference, though- I believe Jesus became the ‘word madde flesh’ at his birth, not his baptism – that He embodied everything God had to say to mankind. Hebrews 1:1 expresses it that “God spoke to us in these last days by (a) Son’. The Holy Spirit is simply the power of God- not God himself. On the cross, Jesus’ cry of My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” was a quote from Psalm 22. He was experiencing the feeling, but not the reality, of abandonment by his Father. But, upon reading the entire Psalm, we see it ends in hope – “I will praise you in the great congregation”. No doubt Jesus thought through the entire Psalm as He hung on the cross. While all seemed lost, his Father never really left him, and he knew that. At his death, the Spirit (power) of God left him, and he died. So he was always ‘mortal’ – while having a mortal mother and a Divine father. At his resurrection, 3 days later, the ‘mortal puts on immortality’ as God raised him, never to see corruption. The glorified, risen Christ now sits at the Father’s right hand, interceding for believers as their King and Priest – waiting for the day when he will return to earth to welcome all believers into the eternal Kingdom of God on earth.

    • Dianne says:

      I agree with almost all you said and you broke it down perfectly!!! I was in the process of compiling a list of scriptures to show Jesus is the son and not God when I found you kinda did it for me!! One thing I must disagree with, God’s name is not Jesus. Jesus himself was not named Jesus at birth as it was translated to our language rather than keep his sacred name. His given name actually means “Yah’s Salvation” as in Yahweh, the name of God. Jesus was actually named; and don’t quote me as there is a lot of argument as to his exact name; Yahshua. (as in Yah’s salvation) Just wanted to clear that one up. Thanks for all your research and I hope you don’t mind if I copy some of it.


    • Pershan Parsard says:

      Your the only one that got it right as I came to this understanding a few weeks ago, thanks cause I wanted to put alot of those same scriptures up there

    • greg says:

      didn’t take time to read all your scripture but I will say this that your theory that Jesus became the Christ when He was baptized is not correct sir. Jesus was born the Christ, Son of God, Son of man. Even at the age of twelve Jesus stated He must be about the Fathers business, Christ walked with God manifested in Him as we should, this is scriptural. If you find the trinity as it is taught today, or any scripture that supports that God turned His back on His only begotten Son, there is no where that scripture teaches that Christ was omniscient, to the contrary Paul teaches there is only one way to the Father, through the man Jesus Christ, who died so that we could have a relationship with His heavenly Father, if we don’t do this we negate what Christ accomplished on the cross. There is nothing greater than the love of a father, I have learned this through experience, God is the supreme Father and to believe that He loved us enough to give Christ a ransom for our sins, and yet would turn His back on His Son just doesn’t bare out.
      Christians should really educate themselves on how and when teaching of the trinity came about, did Christ teach it. Paul just 80 yrs after the death and resurrection of Christ said that the churches had gone away from the Gospel of Christ, what would he say today. Peter teaches that there is no scripture given for interpretation, but yet it is taught today that the we all interpret scripture differently.
      Sorry I didn’t mean to go off on a tangent on your blog, I am a newcomer and here there are not any who believe as I do so I will be checking this out again. God bless

  19. Jenni says:

    Thanks – looks like I am not alone thinking that Jesus is the son and not God almighty.

  20. Mike says:

    Excellent stuff. Amen. I agree. Why do people spend time trying to prove Jesus is God because of what they were taught to believe? I believe that Jesus is not God and neither did he claim to be.

    • Jenni says:

      I would like to know where you people are so that we can worship together.

      • Bev Kerr says:

        I would suggest running an ad in your local newspaper regarding this subject. You will be amazed at the responce you receive. I live in BC Canada and would gladly join you if I were closer. I will however be remembering all you folks in my prayers

    • Jeannie Todd says:

      Yes!! God is not the author of confusion. It is more confusing to believe that HIDDEN in the scriptures, Jesus is God wrapped in flesh. I do not know why people cannot accept the scriptures as simply as they are given. They would rather accept something that is not there. Only because of popular belief. And will fight you tooth and nail. And just say, “Well, we are not meant to know everything” So glad I found this!!!

  21. Debbie says:

    Can you please tell me:
    Is saying Jesus is “God the son” the same as saying Jesus is “God”? Are these sayings equivalent or different in meaning?
    Is ‘Son of God’ different to ‘God the Son?’
    Can you say that Jesus is divine but not God? How then is he divine?

    I am trying to discuss this with someone, and admit to some confusion.
    Can you please clear this up?
    thank you

  22. David M. says:

    “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
    But we are told throughout Scripture that God ALONE is to be worshipped, hence if Christ is to be worshipped then, ergo, He IS God. Period.
    But He is NOT the Father. Neither is He the Holy Spirit.
    IF you knew the theological climate truly at the time of Jesus, you’d understand that there was a belief, quite pervasive, that the Godhead might well be a Multiplicity.
    Remember the 3 “Angels” who appeared to our Father, Abraham? Abraham bowed before them and addressed THEM as “My LORD” (singular). It was, as we Eastern Orthodox believe, a theophany of the Most Holy Trinity.
    Many other examples I could give, but time and space forbid it. However, I must agree with the Councils of the Church which say that if anyone deny that God is a Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, let him be anathema.

    • ken says:

      Elohim is always used as God the creator we r not to worship any other God as creator when people worship Jesus as creator they r replacing Jesus for God

    • Dianne Alyssa Ambito says:

      Jesus said in John 10:30:
      I and the Father are one.

      John 14:7-14 says:
      7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

    • Van G. says:

      David M.,
      So your saying if we believe Jesus is not God, but God’s son we should be detested or loathed?
      Does the bible say that or just the Councils of the Church you go to?
      Please also give more examples of the Trinity with scripture and please don’t let space forbid it as you mentioned above, Brian had plenty of space.
      When anyone says that Jesus is God they take away what both gave up.
      God gave his son, we are made in Gods likeness so what would be harder to do, you yourself die on a cross or to watch your son die on a cross?

  23. Brian says:

    To Worship the Son of God does not prove Him to be God. we worship Jesus for what he did not who he is. We also are sons and we do not receive worship as sons. “But IN Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily”. “God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto Himself.” God is Spirit and He is not flesh and blood. But God entered into His Son to express Himself to the world. God in His son could be touched by the feeling of our infirmity. The Body was not Deity, yet Deity came down and dwelt in the body. But the Deity is immortal therefore it could not die, so the Deity left Him in Gethsemane to die a mortal, but that same Deity raised Him up to sit at the right hand of the majesty on high.

    • Wilson Sebastian says:

      Brian says, “[W]e worship Jesus for what [H]e did, [sic] not who [H]e is.” This is incorrect: we worship Jesus because He is God.”After coming into the house they [magi] saw the Child [Jesus] with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him” (Matt. 2:11, NASB). If we worship Jesus because of what He did, then why do the magi worship Jesus before He had died on the cross? They did this because they knew that He was God. “Cornelius met him, and fell at his feet and worshiped him. But Peter raised him up, saying, ‘Stand up; I too am just a man'” (Acts 10:25). “You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve” (Matt. 4:10). We are not to worship man, but God alone. Brian then quotes, “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form” and “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself” (Col. 2:9; 2 Cor. 5:19). Yes God was in Jesus, but Jesus was also in God because They are one. Jesus says, “[T]he Father is in Me, and I in the Father” (John 10:38). Brian then goes on to say that the Deity within Jesus left because it was immortal and could not die. If this were true, than that would mean that Jesus could not have been tempted by Satan, because “God cannot be tempted by evil” (Mark 1:13; Jas. 1:13). “[A] son will be given to us; . . . And His name will be called . . . Mighty God . . . [and] Eternal Father” (Isa. 9:6).

  24. Ashley says:

    Thank you so much for this post. It is good to know that there are christians who believe and know the truth about the relationship between God and his Son Jesus Christ. It saddens and angers me for the trinity to be seen as a doctrine of Christianity even though no such teaching is found in the Bible and Jesus makes it clear it he is Gods Son and not God himself. How can people believe a false doctrine instead of what Jesus himself said? The Trinity doctrine has pushed many people away from the salvation Christ offers because of it’s inconsistancy and the confusion that arises from it. Lies confuse. The truth reveals the Love of God and Jesus. Bless you brother! Let the truth be known!

  25. Jennifer Maddox says:

    Praise God. It has been difficult to find other Christians who believe that Jesus is the son of God and not God. I’m searching for a church here in Michigan that believes this and not in the Trinity. My heart is in joy knowing that we all have not been deceived. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

  26. Don says:

    My mother told me to hold fast to the teaching that Jesus was the son of GOD and that there was only one GOD. I have been holding on to this for years, yet have been trouble by the teachings that he was God,Thanks for the post, its nice to know i am not alone in my faith.

  27. Gordon Kruger says:

    I agree entirely with most of the posts on this site that Jesus was the only Son of God which doesn’t require any pre-existence in any form. He was inside of God in some way and the bible plainly teaches that truth. In addition, there is nothing in the “confession of faith” requiring that Jesus be more than the one begotten “Son of God.” All things written of Jesus are fulfilled in him being a human being without sin with God as his Father. The fact that most denominations disagree on this point prove they are in error. Are most professing Christians going to be saved? The answer is no. Jesus said: I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me. Jesus did not make the choice in being born which he would have had he pre-existed. There is also a verse that implies that Jesus found himself to be a man. It says: and being found in fashion as a man etc. He learned this truth and the fact that God was his Father. I no longer have a bible concordance as I wore my old one out and need to replace it. Jesus also said, after the resurrection, that he was once dead and is alive for evermore. Totally meaningless, if he had all this prior to being born. In addition, the trinity people have this problem: If Jesus was God prior to being born he now has an inferior position to God in heaven because Jesus is at God’s right hand and NOT ON THE THRONE!! Also, God tells the Son to sit at His right hand until I (God) make thy enemies thy foot stool. Two separate beings in heaven. Does one God have more power and authority than the other? This is not possible according to Isaiah 43:10 “Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, …..and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” The oldest God is God and no other God’s can ever be formed!! Jesus also said AFTER receiving his spiritual body that he had flesh and bones. The one God is Spirit only. Jesus has a spiritual flesh and bones body. Either that or he is a spirit type and can manifest as flesh and bones as angels can also do the same. See Genesis 18 & 19 and the visit of the three angels that appeared as men to Abraham and two continued on to visit Lot and destroy Sodom etc. Once people have a mindset on believing Jesus is God they misinterpret some scriptures and ignore plain and clear scripture that teach otherwise.
    Even the angels were made subject to Jesus after the resurrection. The simple fact is: Jesus received everything from the one God who is a Spirit, while on the earth and continues to do so. He will rule with full power and authority from God when he returns to this earth, so he can be worshipped as God even though he is less than his Father. The angel that fully represented God in the burning bush that appeared to Moses, could also be worshipped as God, but he wasn’t literally God. God was on His throne in heaven. After Jesus completes his 1000 year reign over humans and his saints on the earth the following happens: (Rev. 21:3) “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.” At this time no flesh and blood humans are left, because death has been defeated!! Notice it says “God himself” in the above quoted verse. Prior to this Jesus is ruling on God’s behalf with full authority, so in effect, God also rules. Remember in Exodus 33:20 that God states that no man can see his face and live. Since all left after the 2nd resurrection are “as the angels” God can return to the perfect earth and be seen. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 explains that Jesus must reign UNTIL he hath put all enemies under his feet and the last enemy is DEATH. Jesus then turns the kingdom over to the literal God and rules with God for eternity. Men are the ones that even before all the apostles died, began perverting the scriptures. How far has the TRUTH been perverted in 2000 years of false preachers? Organized religion is totally wrong on the pre-existence belief and many other teachings. They are walking in darkness be refusing to give God the worship that belongs to Him only. The confusion on who Jesus was and still is mainly lies in a false understanding of the book of John plus Hebrews c. 1 etc. The word in Hebrews 1 is “logos” and means something said etc. Well, God did indeed speak everything into existence as noted in Genesis. God’s Spirit and “Spoken Word” are an extension of the one God and are part of Him, not separate beings!! Why must men take vague scripture and ignore clear verses when they study a subject? Much more could be said. I have a short bible study on this subject, plus the Sabbath day, 3 Days and Three Nights, Resurrection etc. Many good studies are found on the internet, but most are a mixture of truth and error, so one must prove all things by studying the bible to separate truth from error. Love Gordy

    • Dianne says:

      Would love to hear your thoughts on the Sabbath. I am a believer of the 10 commandments as God’s royal law still standing and unchanged. There is plenty of scripture, yes even in the new testament, to back it. Just wanted your thoughts since you mentioned it.


      • Robert Janecke says:

        The Sabbath was a day of rest for the Jews as part of the Law (Exodus 20:9-11). It was given as a sign between God and the Jews (Exodus 31:13-17; Deuteronomy 5:15; Ezekiel 20:12).

        But the Sabbath rest of the Old Testament is also a picture of the rest from works for salvation that New Testament believers now enjoy in Christ (Hebrews 4:1-11). For this reason there is no New Testament teaching by the Apostles (after Pentecost) about keeping the Sabbath. Paul writes in Colossians that the Sabbath was a shadow of things to come that were fulfilled in reality in Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).

        • admin says:

          Jesus also refers to himself as ‘Lord of the Sabbath, ‘ an indication His person and work transcends Sabbath observance.

  28. hello says:

    This is a website leaving out so much important scripture in their attempt to destroy the true divinity of Jesus.

    Note: Muslims remove divinity of Jesus as well

    Not sure that Jesus, a man, deserving worship… isn’t a pagan concept? But Jesus, God, deserving worship is def more plausible. Let us reason

    1.) The apostle Timothy 3:16
    Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He (clearly God) was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

    2.) Jesus Himself when being tempted by satan in Matthew 4:7
    Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”

    ^^ So would Jesus rebuke the devil saying he is not to temp God if he isn’t God?!

    3.) Gospel of John 1:1-3
    “In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God…. and the Word became Flesh”

    This one goes with number 1, where Timothy reassures us of this. So lets do simple math.
    Word = God
    Word = Flesh
    SO HOW CAN ONE SAY say Flesh does not = God after reading this passage.
    Flesh = God if both are = to Word

    NOTE: THE WORD BECAME FLESH. Not flesh was there as Jesus then the Holy Spirit entered the flesh and turned the flesh into the Word as I see some people are trying to convince us on this page…

    4.) John 8:58
    “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

    5.) Isaiah 9:6
    For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    What?! He shall be called Mighty God… But isn’t God?! What?!

    6.) YHWH, or yahweh
    Check that out if u really are interested.

    7.) The word for God in Hebrew, Elohim, has a plural connotation to it, hence it was very easily accepted by Christian Jews in the begining to understand Father, Son, Holy Spirit as different aspects of God. LIKE FLESH AND SOUL within humans, same and 1 tho different. It is called the Mystery of God for a reason…

    8.) Genesis 3:8
    Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

    The Lord God was walking?! We were made in His image and we walk… We look like God if we were made in His image, and Paul says

    9.) Paul in Colossians 1:15-16
    The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see–such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.


    The issue here is not knowing the Hebrew language, and the Hebrew names of God. Elohim, plural… Yahweh, not plural. If you watch that video I posted this is explained.

    The father would be better understand as an almighty Force all things are subject to, and Jesus the image (or Son) of that almighty Force, and the Holy Spirit the power of that Force if you will, present in all believers.

    • Alan says:

      Why can’t Jesus be Son of God and yet divine? The definition of divine is god-like.

      During Jesus’ time on earth, why did he clearly differentiate himself from God (examples: no one knows the time, not even the Son. Only the Father).

      Which is the greater sacrifice: to sacrifice oneself or to sacrifice your own son/flesh and blood?

      Read the bible with 2 views:
      1. Jesus = Son of God = God the Father
      2. Jesus = Son of God. Divine. Fully man and fully god

    • Robert Janecke says:

      I’d like to try to respond to your statements with another way of looking at what you presented. God has given us as much revelation about Himself as probably we could understand for now… before we meet Him personally. We need to be careful in our discussions with each other to realize the limited knowledge that we have.

      First of all you are right about our Lord Jesus being deserving of worship. The Bible says that God has ordained the worship of His Son, Jesus… see Hebrews 1:6 and Philippians 2:9-10.

      In regard to your numbered statements:
      1.) In 1 Timothy 3:16 there are variances in the Greek manuscripts and translations of what you pointed out… “He (clearly God)”. Some use “He”…”Who”…”God”…or “Which”. All we know for sure is that it was Jesus who was “manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.”

      2.) When Jesus quoted the Bible in Matthew 4:7 about not putting the Lord your God to the test…couldn’t He be referring to the fact that He (Jesus) shouldn’t shouldn’t throw Himself down and expect God to send His angels to catch Him? See Psalm 78:17-20 about testing God by expecting Him to do something for us.

      3.) In John 1:1 we see a distinction between God and Jesus that is repeated throughout the Bible which we need to respect in our limited view of God… i.e., “the Word was with God”. For instance there are numerous verses showing Jesus at the right hand of God: Mark 16:19… Acts 2:3… Acts 7:55-56… Romans 8:34… Colossians 3:1… Hebrews 10:12… 1 Peter 3:22. We also see this distinction in the end time Scriptures: Revelation 11:15… Revelation 22:3… Ephesians 5:5

      John 1:1 starts out with, “in the beginning”. But when is this referring to? Genesis 1:1 starts out with “In the beginning” at the beginning of the creation of the world. 1 John 3:8 says that “the devil has sinned from the beginning”.

      John 1:1 ends with, “the Word was God”. Is the past tense used here because Jesus “came forth from God” as the Bible says in John 16:27-30 and John 17:8? Hebrews 11:3 tells how God spoke the worlds into existence through His word. Perhaps Jesus came forth from God as the Word of God, and became flesh as the Son of God.

      4.) John 8:58 is another verse that can be translated in different ways. Strongs shows the Greek word that is translated “am”, has the meaning “to be, to exist, to happen, to be present”. The Living Bible translates the verse… “The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born!”

      5.) Isaiah 9:6 calls Jesus “Mighty God”. Jesus refers to others who were called “gods” in His defense against the Jews who were ready to stone Him… John 10:30-36. Jesus was referring to Psalm 82 to men who God had raised up to righteously judge His people… but weren’t. Hebrews 1:8-9 which is quoting from Psalm 45:6-7, says, “But to the Son He says: ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness… therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than your companions…” Jesus is the righteous judge who God has given all judgement to… John 5:22-23.

      7.) The word for God in Hebrew, Elohim, has a plural connotation to it. We know that God spoke the worlds into existence through His word… Hebrew 11:3… 1 Corinthians 8:6… John 1:3… John 1:10… Colossians 1:16… Hebrews 1:2. Many also believe that Jesus spoke the words of YHWH/yahweh/Jehovah/LORD in the Old Testament as the “Angel of the LORD” (compare Exodus 3:1-6, Exodus 23:20-23, Acts 7:30-38, and 1
      Corinthians 10:1-4). John 1:18 says that, “No one has seen God at any time”; Jesus spoke the words of God as “the Angel of His presence” (Isaiah 63:9) in “the form of the LORD” (Numbers 12:6-8). I can see why Elohim is shown as plural.

      8.) I don’t know enough about God to comment on this.

      9.) Paul in Colossians 1:15-16… again shows the distinction between God and Jesus that we need to respect in our understanding of God. Colossians 2:9 says that in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily… but then Colossians 1:19 says, “For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell…” So we see a sameness, but a distinction.

      So again I say that there is a lot about God that we don’t know. It’s good to share verses with each other to learn all that we can, but it’s no use arguing about a God who can’t be explained in words.

      • Dianne Alyssa Ambito says:

        Matthew 1:23 says: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”)
        It means God made His dwelling among us.

        John 1:1-4 says, “1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”
        The Word is God, our Creator.

        John 1:9-11 says, “11The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.”
        God came into the world but the world did not recognize Him.

        John 1:14 says, “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
        The Word, or God our Creator, literally lived with mankind.

        John 1:18 says, “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.”
        Verse 18 says the Son is God Himself and we know that there is only one God. No person is perfect. No person can bear the sins of the world because we are all sinful. (Romans 3:10-11) Only Jesus was is able to keep Himself blameless because He is God who took on human form – 100% man, 100% God at the same time. Since He is God, He doesn’t know how to commit mistakes and therefore, He is the only One who can rescue us from the penalty of sin. Basing from science, a normal person would have died at the beating done by the Roman soldiers but Jesus did not – He only died after God as Spirit left the flesh (that was when Jesus cried, “Why hast Thou forsaken Me?” at the cross).

        John 2:19-22 says, “19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” 20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.”
        Acts 2:32 says, “God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it.”
        Jesus, or God, was able to raise Himself from death.

        • J P says:

          Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
          god is someone else raising Yeshua from the dead. you have to believe that god the father raised him from the dead or you cannot be saved
          john 2:19 god the father speaking through Yeshua
          Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle— not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—
          god the father raised him from the dead

          Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,

          God the father of glory raised Yeshua from the dead

    • ken says:

      first of all John 11 is a figure of speeches in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God with is a Greek word which means together with but having distinct independent of in other words for knowledge and the Word was God God’s Word clearly states we were chosen in him before the foundations of the world this same figure of speech is used throughout John bookif you look down a few verses from John 11 you’ll see that I was in the world in the world was made by him but the world knew him not you can track this figure all out through John bookColossians is a figure of speech to if you rightly divide it is talking about God creating all things the Many clear vs don’t weigh out the few misunderstood scriptures you can’t base the Trinity on a couple and ignore all of the rest you have to rightly divide the world and understand how the few unclear vs fit with the mAny John 4:24 says God is a spirit the image of God is spirit and if you look at Isaiah you’ll see that his name will be called that’s simply a meaning of his name so easily people quote vs but leave out the most important part of the verse and Jesus saying before Abraham I m or was could be translated he was in God’s for knowledge before the foundations of the world by God’s for knowledge of Jesus He created the world he knew that he would send his son to redeem mankind this is clearly tEached in the Old Testament and in the new seek and you shall find ask and it shall be givin jesus said he came to declare God the Greek word means to make known if God was a trinity he would have clearly talked s if Jesus made known God why didn’t he make known the Trinity if it was true he would not want you to believe a lie God gave us His Word in a way that we could understand itand the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth not man I started out believe in Jesus was God someone told me he wasn’t he was the son of God I went to prove them wrong and found that they were not wrong more and more I tried to prove Jesus was God I found that Jesus is the Son of God he has all the characteristics of God because God is his father and God has given him all power and authority God has given him that should clear it up but I could go on and on as this man has written but he says it pretty clearthe just shall live by faith the word is pistIs in Greek which can also be translated believing believing what believing God God means what he says and says what he means when God said son of a God he meant Son of God

  29. Robert Janecke says:

    The most important truth in the Bible is the truth of salvation that God has provided through Jesus. What does it take for salvation? Nowhere is taught about believing that Jesus is God, but rather that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:30-31; 1 John 4:15; 1 John 5:5; Acts 9:19-20).

  30. jenkins sahayam says:

    jesus is jehovah in flesh, an immortal god had to become a mortal man to bring salvation

    • admin says:

      Not sure why that has to be the case. Bible texts to support your opinion would be helpful. John 3:16 seems to sum it up to me- no mention of an immortal god there.

    • Nathan says:

      Salvation is 100% required for mankind but from whom and how? Can we sacrifice ourself to ourself to save Mankind? If your statement “jesus is jehovah in flesh, an immortal god had to become a mortal man to bring salvation” kindly explain.

    • cindi says:

      I’m sorry but God don’t HAVE to do anything. So to say he has to,,is incorrect.

  31. tuimanua says:

    what u mean that God is not the Son………john 1. 1

  32. Beverly says:

    Thank you! This is exactly what I have struggled with.

    I am NOT comparing myself or anyone else to Jesus. It is impossible to do so. None of us even remotely come close. However, when I call Jesus the son of God I mean it in the sense that we are all God’s children and he is our father.

    I do not know any passages that will back up my post. This is what I believe.

  33. Michael Sherron says:

    St. John 17:3, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (KJV)
    Noting how clear that scripture is to me in understanding Yahweh, Jehovah God and who Jesus the Christ is, it’s the following scripture that has been most personal to me that touched my heart over ten years ago when my eyes were opened to the truth.
    After spending over twenty years in the church singing praising the Lord and reading, preaching, and teaching God’s Word over time, I have never been moved to tears when I read the scriptures until, I came unto the understanding of the truth and read this…

    “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
    St. John 17:23 (KJV)

    Wow! God loves ME as much as He loves Jesus!


  34. romona says:

    do you have a church, really like to start one so god can move,who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth.God is so good at last at last at last some other no the truth too.

  35. Brittney says:

    Okay I’m so glad to find I’m not the only person who knows Jesus is not God. But I do have on verse that I can’t understand. John27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
    I don’t know how to explain this to someone else when I don’t understand it myself.

    • Brittney says:

      sorry I meant to say John 20:27

    • Robert Janecke says:

      The best way to answer questions about a Scripture is with other Scripture from God’s Word. If you go to page 40 in the book at the following website, and read the section under “A New Role,” maybe it will help.

      You can also download the whole book in PDF form (recommended) there. The book tries to show the truth about Jesus, and God’s plan for us through him, by using Scripture rather than church tradition.

  36. Vidi says:

    Let’s take this one step further

    The sacrifice of Gods Son, Jesus Christ, was the fulfillment of the covenant God made with Abraham.

    God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his beloved son to demonstrate Abrahams love for God. Abraham obeyed, but was stopped by God.

    God then had to demonstrate His love for mankind in the same fashion, sacrificing His beloved Son for us.

    If Jesus and The Father are one, then the sacrifice is not met in the same fashion. God did not ask Abraham to sacrifice himself, and therefore, God could not sacrifice Himself to fulfill the promise.

  37. Just discovered this entry today. I have a similar entry on my blog entitled “God the Son or Son of God?” I will add a ping-back to your article to mine.

    Suggested reading: “Divine Truth or Human Tradition? A reconsideration of the Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity in light of the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures.” by Patrick Navas. Author House (print on demand) ISBN 978-1-4634-1521-1 (534 pages not counting the appendices). Patrick did his homework! He has debated with Dr James White on this topic.

  38. Pingback: God the Son or Son of God | Focused and Free

  39. Kimberly Kifi says:

    I believe in the Jesus Christ the Son of God. Do any of you who also believe fellowship with others. My brethren and I would love to meet others who also believe.

  40. DYB says:

    Very glad to have come across the blog! It came up in a search I made. The search was “Jesus Son of God not God Himself”. It was the absolute first link on the search! I have been searching and praying, for a long while, for others that knew the truth. I have been going off and on to a nondenominational church. The pastor speaks much truth…things I know are truth. But when they do worship with music…some of the verses of some songs are like vinegar to my ears ( which is a weird example…but that’s how I can describe how bitter to my ears they are) The verses of some songs actually call Jesus God and some even go as far as to call Jesus Father! It’s gotten to the point where I feel stressed about going because I know that I’ll have to sit there and hear these things that I know aren’t true. I have much, much, MUCH to add on this blog and will DEFINITELY be back! It’s rather late and so will discuss more at a later time. Real quick before I leave…in an above post I read a few saying they wanted to worship together, being that we had found each other, and it is rare these days to find others in which the truth cannot be compromised. May I suggest that we can indeed have fellowship with each other HERE. Let us consider this a congregation, of sorts.

    Your Sister in Christ

  41. cindi says:

    I am so very thankful to God that I have found this blog. I go to a christian chat site and have been going there for over five years. I have gotten into many arguments, discussions, and debates over the truth of God’s word.
    I got to a point where I would ask God with anger. Please tell me your truth. The trinity belief is so powerful and made since to so many people , it made me question my belief. At same time that little voice inside of me said, No. Jesus is not God himself.
    So I kept asking God to show me in his word, the bible. Show me your truth. And for about two weeks, off and on I would open my bible in morning while drinking my coffee. And would ask God prior to opening my bible, please show me your truth.
    And each time I would open the bible, it opened to John 20.17, which reads. “Touch me not for I have not yet ascended to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God”
    So that was my answer from God about his truth. He was Jesus’ father and God. He is my God and father. I don’t see how any more simple it could be.
    I know there are alot of verses in the bible that point to Jesus being God and alot point to him not being God. But God is a logical God and I see things logical. If it doesn’t make perfect since, it can’t be what was done.
    And God is a simple God, non confusing, all Spirit. And Jesus was and is, the only begotten Son of God. The lamb of God. The word of God. The mediator between God and man.
    And i strongly believe that God entered Jesus’ body when he was lead into the desert after being baptised, and tempted for forty days. In the OT, a woman who gave birth was unpure for forty days, and was made pure, and this is where I believe Jesus’ body was made pure for God to dwell within him. And at some point before he was crucified, God left him. Maybe at the transition on the Mt. not sure. But when Jesus gave up the Ghost on the cross, God was not with him. He died a human sacrifice. Just like he told Abraham to do with his son. God always used symbolism.
    Anyway, so glad i found this and I thank God that I am not alone in my beliefs.

  42. Corey says:

    Yes, Jesus Christ is God. He is not God the Father but God just like his Father. Adam was the created son (The Word created Adam) the Word created all things. The Word became flesh thus making Jesus not the created son, but related Son.

  43. Cynthia L. says:

    “The Greatest Words Ever Spoken”. All words Jesus’s spoke in the bible. A great resource for those who believe he is God’s Son. Made me realize I was not crazy. The book is by Steven Scott. Also the Lord’s Prayer The words Our Father……simple really.

  44. Carol says:

    Maybe someone could make facebook group for those who believe as we do? What say ye Admin?

  45. ray says:

    i believe that jesus is who he says he the son of GOD when i talk to other believers in GOD i ask then do you believe that the only way you can get to the kingdom is through jesus and they say yes thats good enough for me i am not trying to change your beliefs i am planting a seed its up to you if you water it or not that would be up to GOD to open your eyes to the truth there are many verses in the bible that can be what you make them out to be you must study history of the churches of the roman empire and hebrew writing study the arian controversy the council of nicaea constantines in put of the trinity the roman catholic church grace comes from GOD and not from jesus he is the son of GOD the servant the messenger give glory to the one and i mean one GOD ray

  46. Stephen says:

    I too am on that journey of being confronted with scripture that has presented itself on page after page, that Jesus is quite simply God’s son. One verse that has been very important to grounding my faith is not mentioned in anything I have read so far. It is Deut. 18 v 18, for context read vs 15 -19,(cf. John 5 v46,47, Acts 3 v 23, 7 v 37). Another good read is Deut 18 v 18 then John 7 v 16-19. Jesus is making it very clear that he doesn’t want anyone to believe that he is “God” because of the words he is speaking, therefore there is no unrighteousness (sin) in him.
    It can be lonely but there are people who listen, it is hard to turn away from years of belief in something. It took me close to 2 years before I could answer enough proof texts that the pendulum swung the other way.
    Take heart, Trinitarians have to prove without doubt that Jesus is God in every aspect. Biblical Unitarians only need to prove 1 point in all of Jesus life that violates any of God’s attributes since they are absolute and unchanging. If you have trouble finding one the author has listed many.
    The Trinity is nowhere in scripture, nor exhaustively addressed, yet it is the first paragraph in most if not all creeds found in Trinitarian churches. YHWH clearly tells us that he has kept some things about himself “secret”. He also tells us he has revealed things about himself to us and that revelation is forever, Deut 29 v 29. This is clearly in conflict with Trinitarian doctrine of the “progressive revelation” of God’s character. Hope this helps someone.
    God bless

  47. Warren says:

    Many good points from various submitters.
    I have always believed Jesus was the Son of G_d. Maybe I was too simple minded to see otherwise. And I think that is the reality of the modern church. It has taken a very simple premise and over intellectualized it so that confusion abounds. Does not the Bible say G_d is not the author of confusion?
    If as a child I could understand the gift I was given by the sacrifice of G_d’s only Son I needn’t over think it now at 51. If I am asked is there a Trinity – I respond yes, there is G_d, there is His Son Jesus the Christ and there is the Holy Spirit. They are 3 separate and distinct entities not 3 in 1 as the Triune philosophy purports.
    To address a previous poster’s reference to the temptation of Jesus and his response “it is written thou shall not tempt the Lord thy G_d” as proof that Jesus was G_d, the poster truly missed the obvious. For him to have intentionally dashed his foot against a stone to see if G_d would send his angels was not a temptation of Jesus. It was as Jesus said, a temptation of G_d.
    The gift we have been given is not much if you believe Jesus is G_d. To give out of abundance is less meaningful than to give out of lack. Do you not understand that Jesus could have chosen to not live sinless? He could have succumbed to each and every temptation. But his love and desire to do his Father’s will was greater and as such became the spotless sacrificial lamb for all of mankind.
    To say otherwise is to deny the gift. He proved that what G_d required of us was not impossible but because of our sinful desires we chose to live by flesh and not spirit. So once he completed the sinless living he was able to fulfill G_d’s requirements of the sacrificial sin offering – Jesus’ blood as atonement for sin ( Lev. 17:11) for all. I understand that LV 17:11 is often cited as a dietary law, and that is true as well, but the reason it’s given as a dietary law is because the blood is the atonement of the soul.
    I am sorry for the long post but currently having discussions with a Triune believer seeking an understanding of my beliefs.

  48. Brent says:

    Fantastic!. This clarifies also that the idea of trinity, a Catholic addition to Scripture, is also unsubstantiated.
    There is a good book on this, first published in 1932 called “Communication With the Spirit World of God – It’s Laws and Purpose” by Johannes Greber, which proves where the Scriptures were altered by translators to support religious beliefs that were not supported by Scripture originally. Eternal hell is also not supported. The translation specifically says “eon”, which is a limited period of time and not eternal.
    A free PDF can be read at or buy a reprint at
    Very informative. I couldn’t put it down when I started to read it.

  49. Douglas says:

    I have but one quibble with your argument: that Christ’s beginning was absolutely and utterly the beginning of his human birth. Both he and the author John, and the author Paul say differently.

    “He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not.” – John 1:10

    “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” – John 17:5

    “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” – Colossians 1:15

    If anything, the testimony of the Christ himself, and the testimony of his apostles, argues for more an an Arian take on what he was than a Socianian interpretation. Jesus was clearly more than “just a man”… normal men aren’t born of mother’s without human fathers… but his own words testify that he was not God himself, or at least not equal to God (“For the Father is greater than I”). But his own words, and and the words of his apostles clearly indicated that he had an existence before his Earthly life, that he knew of it, and that he was personally instrumental in the creation of the universe itself. Neither the Doctrine of the Trinity or the doctrine of “just a man until resurrection” is supported by the very testimony of the Christ himself.

  50. Red says:

    Jesus is divine and He is the Son of God, pre existent, God created everything through His son, and we are to bow down and worship and submit to Jesus as our Lord bc thats the way God wants it to be, it pleased the Father that in Jesus all fulness dwell. this is what the bible says. i was raised in the south attending baptist churches and never heard Jesus was God. we were taught Jesus is the only begotten Son of God at all our sunday school classes and vacation bible school.

    it wasnt until i joined the online Christian communities in08′ that i began seeing all the God the Son stuff and found i was in the MINORITY with my biblical beliefs!!?

    what angers me the mostabout the false trinitarian teachings is their audacity to label those who adhere to the Words teachings and the gospel in john 3:16 as heretics. john 3:16 doesnt say God came down here and died on a cross so who would dare teach such a thing? its a lie. thebible clearly says God sent His only begotten son Jesus to die on that cross so that is the only truth there is. i dont care if one feels they are doing Jesus justice calling Him God, they are blatantly lying and twisting scripture and confusing people with their falsehood and the bible says God is not the author of confusion!

    i hate that blasphemous trinity teaching and ill continue to warn those who dare disregard scriptures teachings of what the gospel is to be preached and what we are required to believe and who we are required to believe in in order to be saved bc God has put it on my heart to do just that.

  51. Acts 2:38 Believer says:

    This is a great article and its very true. Many that preach Jesus being the Son of God is accused of making Jesus into an ordinary man. He is the most unique man that ever was. He was the Only begotten son of the most high God, thus making God his father. He was a man flesh and blood with a divine (god-like) nature. He was very capable of sinning or else he would of never truly been tempted like as we are. Jesus also acknowledged that he could do nothing in himself, but it was his father in him doing the Works. God anointed him and was with him and in him doing the Works. Glory! Jesus was the first begotten and now its time for the Sons of God to go forth in the same authority with God in us. These works shall you do and greater. The fullness of the Godhead was in Jesus. We according to scripture are suppose to have the fullness of God in US.

  52. godspower says:

    wow am very gratefull to God i find the truth..we all share common belive

  53. ken says:

    I’d like to say one more thing to add one more thing that Romans chapter 5 pretty much clears it up Jesus had to be a man a man without a sin nature as it says that man brought sin into the world it had to be a man to make many righteous by dying for sIn for legal redemption to occur as the Bible says Jesus was the second Adam by Jesus freedom of will he had to be obedient unto the cross and had to be a man not a god man to legally redeem man from sin 4 by man sin entered into the world and by one man dying for sIn made many righteous legal redemption Romans chapter 5 it can’t get no clearer than that in the NIV version you read it as if you were in a court of law one more thing in the Aramaic text Jesus is word my God my God why has thou forsaken me is translated my God my God for this reason I came into the world I do not believe that God forsake Jesus when he was on the cross I believe the Aramaic translation is the correct translation of this first that’s why they left the Latin in the King James cuz they did not know how to translate it

  54. ken says:

    one more thing what church do you go tofor fellowship if you can email me and let me know the church that you go to that has an accurate knowledge of what you teach that would be

  55. Ryan Chandler says:

    I always find that the enemy’s #1 lie is to get us to question God’s word. He always likes to say…….. “did God really say that”? So it seems to me that he is doing the same thing here. He is getting us to question whether Jesus “really said” he was God. And it seems that again…….. 90% of the commentators and the writer of this post are falling for it…. hook, line and sinker!!! Questioning the deity of Christ is dangerous on all levels!!!!!!

    We must remember that GOD IS ALL IN ALL!!! And therefore…… Jesus Christ was God and has always been God!!

    And we must interpret the difficult passages with the plain ones.

    This ONE verse of MANY………. proves that Jesus was GOD!!!

    “I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” (John 10:30-33)

    Ok….. WHY would they have wanted to stone him….if he was saying something other than what he said? No, he plainly said……….. I AM GOD!!!!

    This article and any other attempt to deny the deity of Christ….. is just another false teaching implanted by the “father of lies” himself.

    This is why 90% of y’all are saying “thank you for this teaching” blah blah blah….. “I have always felt that Jesus wasn’t God” blah blah blah.

    It’s because the DEVIL doesn’t want you to believe what JESUS PLAINLY SAID!!!

    All you have to do is look at Islam people……. Each and every one of you who question the deity of Christ…….. are no different than the false religion of Islam!!

    The Trinity is REAL PEOPLE!!!!

    • Van G. says:

      When a man and woman gets married it is said that they are one but does this mean literally? No it doesn’t, it means they act as one and support each other.
      You stated that Jesus plainly said “I AM GOD!!!!”, he did not say that he said “I and the Father are one.” Please do not twist the words to say what you want them to.

    • John 10 25-38. He tell them he is the Son of God. He tells them the Father is in me and I in him.

  56. mani says:

    I am from Hindu religion propagaing sanadhana dharma. I read this interesting article and the comment. When the Great Rama was born to King dasaratha and Kausalya the sage who had the vision and wrote what he saw. No where you find that Rama was God in the Ramayana He was the person deputed by the Brahman to earth to teach the virtues which he did and demonstrated to the world as a child as a son as a wife as one to protech dharma. All the attributes in the article how Jesus is not God is equally applicable to Rama and Brahman. The vedas and upanishads only talk about brahman (equivalent to your God the father ) and Rama with all his virtues is equivalent to Jesus even the time frame may be different.

  57. Fred Alpha Adams says:

    i have had this problem with preachers trying to make the son of God as God. i prayed about this and the lord really gave me the insight. l know and believe that,my lord Jesus,is the begotten son of Jehovah

  58. Richard says:

    Do an internet search for Dr. V.P. Weirwille’s book “Jesus Christ is not God”.
    Also see

  59. gary says:

    Did Jesus Lie under Oath?

    Gospel of John’s Jesus:
    Jesus answered, “I have spoken openly to the world; I have always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all the Jews come together. I have said nothing in secret.
    John 18:20

    Gospel of Mark’s Jesus:
    He strictly ordered them that no one should know this.
    Mark 5:43

    Mark’s Jesus seems to ALWAYS be telling his disciples and those he heals to keep his deeds secret. John’s Jesus swears under oath in front of the Jewish Sanhedrin (high court) that he has said nothing in secret.

    This is a blatantly false.

    To Jews, God cannot lie, therefore this is absolute proof to them (and maybe it should be to Christians) that Jesus was not God.

    The Jewish Bible:
    God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of a man that he should repent…
    — Numbers 23:19

  60. Danny says:

    Jesus Christ is the Son of God, not God. “Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.” 1 John 4:15

  61. Stephen says:

    I am not a trinitarian. That being said one of my favourite bible teachers is a staunch trinitarian. Dr Chuck Missler has some very interesting views which I would encourage anyone to check out. Anyway after years of listening to his lectures on End Time Prophesy and some of his expositional commentaries, his trinitarian viewpoint started to make me question my long held belief that Jesus is the Son of God and not God the Son. I was in a real dilemma and I asked God to help me make things clear and God used Dr Chuck Missler to convince me that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Almighty God and not God Himself. How did Dr Missler convince me of this fact? Well, it’s quite convoluted so stick with me:

    1) The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; The Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed. Anybody who has listened to some of Chuck Misslers lectures would have heard this as he says it quite often. There are types in the OT which hints at bigger implications in the NT. For example when God told Abraham to sacrifice his beloved son, that was a type for when another Father would sacrifice His Son. From the time God gave the commandment to Abraham until the interrupted sacrifice was 3 days and the scripture shows that as far as Abraham was concerned Isaac was already dead to him as soon as the commandment was recieved. He wasn’t alive again until God provided a lamb for the sacrifice. So we can see that Isaac was in fact a type for Jesus who died and was raised after 3 days. Also, Isaac is not mentioned again, that is we do not see him again until he comes to collect his bride . And after His resurrection Jesus was taken up and will not be seen again until He comes for His Bride, the Church . There are many other examples, but I’m just using this to show how the OT and NT are connected.

    2) Jesus as a Prophet. Jesus prophesied on many occasions. He prophesied that he would be betrayed , He predicts that Peter would deny him 3 times , He predicts the destruction of Jerusalem and gives some stunning end time prophesies . So the fact that Jesus was also a prophet is a fact beyond question.

    3) 1 +2 =3: I will now take premise 1 combined with pemise 2 and show how Jesus prophesied that he would in fact be worshipped as God and why that is a bad idea.

    Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up that everyone who believes may have eternal life

    These are the 2 verses that precede probably the most famous verse in the Bible so it is very easy to overlook them, but I want us to pay close attention and see what I think Jesus is trying to tell us. Firstly let’s take a closer look at this serpent and how it came to be. During their exile in the wilderness, as was their wont, the Israelites angered God with their lack of faith and spoke against Him, so God sent serpents among them and whosoever was bitten by the snakes died. The people of Israel turned to Mosesand asked him to intercede with God for them and God told Moses to raise up a bronze serpent so that whoever got bitten by the snakes would only need to look to the bronze serpent to be saved . Now, nowhere in the OT is this strange passage explained until Jesus Himself points to it as an OT type of His cricifixtion, identifying Himself with the bronze serpent. All well and good, right? Well let’s look at it a little closer, what happened to the bronze snake after Israel’s time in the wilderness? Some of the Israelites took to worshipping the snake, until King Hezekiah of Judah tore it down and smashed it to pieces . Jesus would have been well aware of the fate of that bronze serpent as would his audience, that is why I believe that as well as the bronze snake being a type of the crucifixtion, it was also a type in the fact that God’s people started assigning worship it as a god. So I believe that John 3:14,15 as well as a reason for hope is also a stark warning that we all need to take heed of.

    • Quinn says:

      Hi Stephen,

      The only time I listened to Dr.Chuck Missler was when I got interested in his Bible Codes [or Gemmatria] teachings, then I got bored with it. Then I came across his teachings on “Nephelim” which is fallen angels or UFO Phenomena. Got his books on Aliens just for fun. Yes, he teaches Trinity, and there must be something in his teachings that prompt you to investigate or question your belief in Trinity. Similar thing happened to me. After reading New Testament with open heart [laying aside my beliefs for a while], I came to the conclusion that Trinity is NOT really what the Bible teaches. Also I realized that the position of non-trinitarians are more compelling and close to the Scriptures. I wrestled with it for sometime but finally decided to obey the scriptures rather than the man made religious system with its false doctrines.

      Your analogy is good regarding “bronze serpent”. Also 2 Thessalonians 2:4 states: “He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.” This is what exactly happened. Satan’s counterfeit Jesus of Trinity “sets himself in the temple of God [body of Christ] as God”. So this counterfeit Jesus is worshiped as “Almighty God”. Also book of Revelation has some possible connections to the end times heresy when someone is worshiped as God.

  62. Armando Rivera says:

    Thanks be to our father YAHWEH for the revelation of His Son. For many years i study the word led by the Holy spirit and this was also revealed to me.
    That Jesus is the son of God. I thank God that im not alone anymore.

  63. Darren says:

    A few of my thoughts:

    It must have been a great sacrifice by God and all of heaven to let Jesus Son of God be sent to Earth as the messianic Son of Man, knowing that he had the POSSIBILITY of failure to stay true to God’s purpose and fulfillment for him as a human being. Jesus had the same human nature inside him as you and I but he only allowed his God given nature to flourish. This was the only thing that kept him from sin…and temptation that would lead to sin.

    A Trinitarian idea is that God sent “God the Son” part of himself (Who was just one of three express states of God. The third being God the Holy Ghost) to be born as Jesus and eventually die for our sins.

    Now I say hypothetically, if God sent the “God the Son” part of Himself to Earth as Jesus and he had failed to die for the people as it had been prophesied or had given in to temptation, what then would happen to God?

    God would not be able to lose a part of himself to sin or disobedience as God is perfect.

    Some would argue by saying that if we are talking about “God the Son” then he could not have failed. Then I ask, Why would it be so special that he died perfect for our sins when he could not fail to begin with?

    Hypothetically it wouldn’t be. There would be no real purpose to an already perfect being trying to live in an imperfect world because they wouldn’t be able to understand what overcoming temptation and sin truly was.

    It makes much more sense and has much more Significance if we say Jesus Son of Man the Divine Son of God (Separate from God) was sent to this world to live a perfect life in teaching and sacrifice for the sins of Mankind. He therefore becoming Mortal and potentially imperfect had to rely on his relationship with God to help him be the perfect Messiah his Father wanted him to be in life and in death. Jesus and the possibility of failure to die for our sins was real as he was tempted by Satan all the way until just before the cross. Satan wouldn’t try to decieve him if he knew he’d have no chance. Jesus showed sacrifice by resisting all that the world and the devil had to offer him, and gave his life unto everlasting life as a peace offering between us and God. This was the ultimate sacrifice because of what was at stake for all humankind and God’s eternal kingdom.

    Now Trinitarians say, how can you say that Jesus was just a mortal man and not a deity?
    I say, Jesus was previously the divine Son of God, made mortal with God given divine abilities for the purpose of showing to man that he was the Messiah he claimed he was. He also showed us how to please God, and told of God’s mercy, love, and divine plan for mankind.
    Trinitarians commonly use Hebrews 1:3 as evidence of Jesus being one in God because he was the express image of God. I believe this to be an incorrect interpretation. My interpretation is that just like a son tends to take on the nature of his father, so the Son of God took on the nature of his Father making him like unto the Father. Hence the wording “express image”. However, he was NOT God.

    He then died as was prophesied; as a perfect(sinless) and willing sacrifice for the sins of all humankind from the past into the future until Judgment day.
    Jesus then, requiring no judgment went straight to be with God the Father on his right hand interceding for us (Hebrews 7:25 & Romans 8:34) because he knows what it’s like to be human.
    Jesus wouldn’t have to intercede for us if God already knew what it was like being human. God can be reasoned with–>Moses did so on Mount Sinai in pleading for the people he led out of Egypt who disappointed God by worshipping the Golden Calf. (Exodus 32:11) So Jesus now intercedes and reasons on our behalf to God the Father.

    It makes more sense and makes it so much more significant and special that Jesus was the Son of God in Heaven who was planned to come to this Earth to die for the people and even more special that God would risk his only son knowing the risk he was taking in sending his son to a world of sin. God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son. (John 3:16)
    God risked his sons place in Heaven by giving him as an example of how we should live our lives to please Him and also showing us that we can be forgiven of our sins because of the perfect life His son could achieve with His help and guidance.
    We are sinners and lead imperfect lives because at times we don’t always trust in God but Jesus always trusted in his Father. That’s why only by trusting in God, the sacrifice of Jesus’ perfect life, and our belief in Jesus and his gift of atonement can we be made clean (sinless) before God.

    This is why believing that God is the Father and Jesus is the one true Son of God( previous Son of God in Heaven, messianic Son of Man on Earth, and now GLORIFIED Son of God in Heaven once more) makes more sense.

    You can believe in Jesus not being God but still preserve the ungraspable significance of his existence as the Messiah, the one who died for the sins of mankind allowing the possibility for us to have salvation and eternal life in Heaven. He now is given place in Heaven higher than the Angels (Hebrews 1:4) for his success in fulfilling God’s word. He is our Great High Priest though still not greater than God Almighty. (Hebrews 5:5) None is.

  64. Jayson says:

    This is the whole fact and true BIBLICAL DOCTRINES about the Lord Jesus Christ.

    TAKE NOTE: The Holy Scripture is only our ultimate source of truth and outside the Scripture is not consider God’s word. (John 17:17, NIV).

    1. Jesus is “the Messiah, or Christ (Anointed One).” – Matthew 16:16; John 1:41; 4: 25-26; Acts 2:36.

    2. Jesus is “the Son of God, son of the Most High God.” – Mark 1:11; 3:11; 5:7; Luke 1:32; John 1:48-49; 1 John. 5:5.

    3. Jesus is “the Way and Instrument of God for salvation.” – John 14:6; 2 Timothy 2:5; 1 John 2:1.

    4. Jesus is “the Son of Man.” (Matthew 24:30; John 3:13).

    5. Jesus is “the High Priest.” (Hebrew 7:25, 26)

    6. Jesus is “Lord.” (Acts 2:36; Romans 10:9; Philippians 2:11).

    7. Jesus is “a mighty god, [not ALMIGHTY GOD.]” – Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1, 18; Philippians 2:6)

    8. Jesus is the “King of kings, and Lord of lords.” (Apocalypse 19:16)

    Our conclusion is therefore, that Jesus Christ is

    1. The Jewish and Gentile Messiah
    2. Son of God the Most High.
    3. Son of man.
    4. Way of God the Father.
    5. High Priest.
    6. Lord.
    7. A mighty god (ruler, king).
    8. King of kings and Lord of lords.

    Jesus is our Savior and Redeemer. He is NOT God Almighty, God Sovereign or Omnipotent but a subordinate Son to the One Almighty GOD, the Father. (John 14:28; 17:3; 1 Corinthians 15:28).

    We should acknowledge the real identity of our Savior Jesus, not that we rely on what we believe in traditions and philosophy. LOVE GOD AND CHRIST in spirit and truth!

    This is the WORD OF THE LORD. Listen.

    • Ruth says:

      Hi of all the posts I have read on this sight this one has confirmed my belief about our Lord Jesus Christ the son of God I just want to say thank you

  65. Bamendola says:

    It is such a relief to find that there are other people that believe that Jesus is the son of God and not God himself. Once the blinders are taken off of your eyes it’s hard to see him as God, The Scriptures just jump off the page!

    I know I used to believe in the Trinity and it never made sense and it never fit in the word. Until somebody showed me that Jesus was the second Adam. Where Adam a man sinned and brought death to everyman, Jesus also a man like Adam redeemed us by giving his life, and God resurrecting him from the dead.

    What saddens me sometimes is the accusations if you don’t believe that Jesus is God as if you’re not a Christian, which is a bold face lie. I wish there were more churches and Christians who believe this truth, because it makes what Christ did for us that much more powerful. He was a man who could of sinned but endured Temptation . In fact the word says he was tempted like we are yet he remained without sin. He was perfect sacrifice and is seated at the right hand of the father making intercession for us.

  66. As a fellow teacher of the Hebraic Perspective, I welcome the opinions and thoughts given on this site. Speaking for myself, what I tell those that read my blog or hear me speak is this: what I know now, is only part of what the Father and Yeshua Ha’Machiach want me to know. As I grow, as my heart and spirit become more in-tune with the Spirit of Truth it is then They reveal more to me. I am teachable and correctable; if I draw the wrong conclusions, They correct me, I humble myself and correct the teachings I have done in the past. That is the way we all should be. Why do I say this? There will always be those that agree or disagree with what we teach – all I can do is trust God to give a person an open heart and hearing ears so that they may search for the truth themselves. I have a 10 part study “Worship and encountering the Divine” on my blog ( that deals with this question – but my thoughts are not the end all – but just a starting point. Keep looking, seeking the Father and listening for Yeshua’s voice for He is seeking those who truly want to worship in spirit and truth. I love this, the discussing of the things of God… Shalom to you all.

    • Nick says:

      Hi David,
      My personal belief is that us non Jews need more help and guidance from Hebraic teachers who have found that Yeshua is Messiah.
      We have been brought up in spiritual babylon , full of pagan customs all of which lead us into darkness.
      You Jews have been given the light of truth from our Father and your customs lead you to Christ.
      After all , as in Romans 11:17, us gentiles are wild olive trees, to be grafted to the Jewish trunk… not to go off form our own pagan religions
      “And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree”

      • Nick, I am sorry it took me four years to reply to your post! I cannot believe it has been four years since I stumbled upon this blog – but I just wanted to ask – are you still searching for some more help in your journey? If you are, please, go to my blog and fill in the contact information on the page (right top corner) and I’ll get back to you and we can start a discussion! Shalom and thank you for the kind words!

  67. Pingback: God son king and his subjects | Bijbelvorser = Bible Researcher

  68. River says:

    I am so relieved to know I am not alone. I have been seeing how the Catholic church and their pagan ideas have seeped into main stream Christianity. In churches I hear less about the Gospel and more of a very watered down version of the Bible. I now believe (especially given the video of the Pope made on Jan.6.2016) that the religions of this world are mystery Babylon spoken of in Revelations- and we are called to come out of her, because she is a whore. How? Because approaching God through any other means, other then through His son Jesus Christ, his obedience, suffering, and sacrifice is not the Gospel. Depending on man made religions and traditions is meaningless- Jesus Christ is the Head of the church- and at His name every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that He is Lord, and King- because His Father gave him that authority and gave Him that power.

  69. Michael Burdi says:

    The confusion over the nature of Jesus is inherent in the New Testiment. Most people don’t appreciate the fact that NT is a compilation of selected documents writen over approximately 100 year period that were not agreed upon and finalized until the 3rd century.

    There is a definitive cultural/philosophical evolution of those documents over this period. The earliest document (i.e gospels of Mark and Mathew) are the most jewish in nature and each document thereafter tends to be more Hellenistic. As a result, a redefinition of basic titles and terms occurs. For instance, Jewish messiah becomes Greek christ. Son of God, which judaism understood as one close to God, becomes a Hellenized demi-god.

    If we understand that once people came to realize the gospel’s initial apocalyptic message was not going to occur in the near term, they were compelled to reinterpret Jesus life and message. Thus, they began to write these interpretations down. As the authors became less jewish and more greek, their view was skewed by their cultural lens.

  70. Mark says:

    I am confused about Scripture.

    In John 1:1(KJV), it says: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

    Later in Revelation, same author, 19:13(KJV), it says: “And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.”

    Are both verses referring to Lord Jesus?

    • admin says:

      Yes. Jesus was the ‘Word of God’ – he perfectly demonstrated God’s character, and therefore spoke to us in a much more powerful way than spoken words alone. The Greek in John 1 is tricky- ‘Word was God’ is a biased translation, as most translators of scripture are Trinitarians. Even so, if John did really intend us to read this, there are many places in scripture where ‘God’ refers to God’s representatives, not God himself. For example, Genesis 18:1ff mentions ‘the LORD’ when really it is referring to angels (read entire chapter to see this). I like John 1:14: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” God’s word, or purpose, did indeed become ‘flesh’ at the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ – both Son of man and Son of God.

  71. Otto Kapitan says:

    If Jesus is not God, why did He accept worship from Thomas, who stated “My Lord and my God?” The Jews knew that worship was reserved for God alone, yet no-one in that room objected to Thomas worshipping Jesus – they all understood that Jesus was God. Also, the teachers of the law attempted to stone Jesus because He was claiming to be God (“Before Abraham was, I AM”) implying the state of eternal “being.” – no beginning and no end. If there can only be one god, as is scriptural, then Jesus is God.

    • admin says:

      Thanks for your observations. It is not clear that Thomas was calling Jesus God – it makes more sense to think of him referring to Jesus as Lord, and Jesus’ Father as God. Also, Jesus states in many other places in John that ‘the Father is greater than I” and “the son can do nothing of his own accord,” etc. The verse re Abraham is Jesus’ way of saying that He was always in God’s plan. We can see this in Genesis 3:15-16, which is the first promise of a redeemer for mankind after Adam and Eve’s sin.

  72. Andrew Kelly says:

    When Jesus was on the face of the earth he said the Lord thy God is one. Now after the crucifixion something happened. God finally had a Son as now the content of the writing changes. It is no more God, he had a Son. In times of old before the cross we could not worship Jesus the Son of God as he never came and died. Now Jesus came God reconciled the whole world unto him in heaven and earth.

    In Hebrews 1:8 when God was saying thy throne O God is forever and ever. Isaiah 9:6 ((he shall be called)) NOT ((I shal be called))


    The mighty God and NOT the almighty God and Father. The next verse it shows a conversation of Jesus the Son of God being told by his God and Father.

    Hebrews 1:9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore ((I)) God, even thy ((your)) God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

    Col 1:12] Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    [13] Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
    [14] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
    [15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    [16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    [17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    [18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
    [19] For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
    [20] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

    2nd Cor 5:18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
    [19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
    [20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    Hebrews 1:[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    [2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
    [3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
    [4] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

  73. Andrew Kelly says:

    Amen, I have sermons from the Gospel of Christ showing over and over that Jesus Christ is not at all God in the flesh or God whatever, as that is an antiChrist Gospel. When Jesus said, “he that seen me has sen the Father” is not saying at all “He that seen me I am God the Father” Jesus is telling us you “UNDERSTAND ME” you “UNDERSTAND MY FATHER” When we seen the answer we understand the answer in other words.

    Jesus talked about the testimony of two men and not one man.

    1st John 4:[1] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    [2] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that the Son of God is come in the flesh is of God:
    [3] And every spirit that confesseth not that the Son of God is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    John 8: [14] Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
    [15] Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
    [16] And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
    [17] It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
    [18] I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
    [19] Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

  74. Randa says:

    Because a conversation with a stranger in 2015 piqued my curiosity and in the “back of my mind” I had for many years been confused about Jesus/God, I began to check the Bible for verses related to Jesus being the Son of God, separate and different from Almighty God, our heavenly Father. Many of the points made throughout this stream of comments coincide with what I believe the Lord has revealed to me.

    I surrendered my heart and life to God through Jesus in 1975 and was “born again” by the Spirit of the living God. However, more than ever before in my walk with the Lord, I now have a deeper love and awe-filled appreciation for Jesus, my Messiah, because of this new-found understanding of his being not God but the Son of God, in all the glory that position entails. It makes me want to fall to my knees with my arms and hands lifted up in almost inexpressible thankfulness. Why me, Lord? Why did you honor me with this life-changing understanding of who my Jesus is, what he did as my Savior and Mediator, and what it is possible for me to be in relationship to my Father God because of his example? I can only thank him for the mercy and grace he has shown me.

    Thanks so much for this great discussion and everyone’s comments.

  75. Bill Mc Masters says:

    This site is super! SUPER!

    I was raised to disbelieve in the Trinity, from infancy. It’s unfortunate for me, and others who hail from my same past, that those from whom I learned this important teaching have themselves lost their way. How happy I am to here see so many who love the truth. (And there’s no trademark beside the word truth here)

    And now, here I am, more than half a century into my Christian life, fighting to free the minds of my comrades who, while knowing the truth about the Father-Son relationship, have fallen prey to another big lie. The lie of organization control of their faith.

    In fact, the ‘canned teaching’ of the trinity is what has been used to enslave Christians the world over into religious organizational bondage.

    I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness. For the past twenty years I have dwelt among them while knowing they no longer preach the truth. They started on the right path. Now they are just another cult.

    My secret battle has recently taken me to the United Nations where I have built a relationship with those who help me free the minds of Christians enslaved to Watchtowerism, a religion that enslaves Christ seekers who know that the churches have it wrong with the trinity and seek fellowship with truth seekers.

    Unfortunately, anti-trinitarianism within Watchtowerism is just a juicy worm on the hook. Truth seekers end up enslaved to a myriad other false teachings.

    Keep this site working. Truth seekers need hope.

  76. Pingback: God the Son or Son of God | Focused And Free

  77. Cheryl Tindall says:

    I have been feeling alone in my belief that Jesus is not Father God. I believe He is the Son of God the Most High…..I Pray, I cry, I ask God to lead me and guide me to His Way, His Truth and His Life that He wants me to lead. Being labeled a heretic is just plain judgement. The Christian churches seem to re frame the words in the Bible to suit them selves. I want to be with other believers to worship God, but don’t know where to find a Church of Believers who truly follow Gods Word. I believe I was led to this site for just that reason. May God Bless

  78. RAY SNARSKI says:

    I have studied the kjv,and william tyndale’s new testament. Also the history of the trinity.If the Holy Spirit did not open your eye’s to see the truth about the trinity: then no man can.The trinity is false doctrine. There is only ONE GOD THE FATHER.Yeshua is his son,the holy spirit is GOD’s Word. Pray and study the word of GOD:with a open mind,and you shall find the truth and the truth shall set you free.But remember also, that the truth hurt’s. Praise GOD through his son.

  79. Elizabeth says:

    What Christian denominations believe in Jesus as the son of God , but believes he is not God ?

  80. Toast says:

    Very good to have found this truth being presented. Another fine site is – they list many verses that explain some/most of the apparent paradoxes of what the bible ‘says’ with what the truth really is.
    A great book also, “The orthodox corruption of scripture”, goes to great depth in many areas of where the text has been changed to present the Trinitarian view. The bible simply doesn’t mean what we read it says, it was changed long ago to support a bogus theology

  81. Jim Whitefield says:

    Is it possible that we have created a controversy that has taken on a life of its own. Maybe we where not meant to know anything behold the face value of what is presented as the Godhead. That being that God the Father sent His only begotten son to live and die as a means for our salvation. Is it necessary to under stand the mystery of the Godhead too be saved. John 3:16 just says whoever believes in the one he sent would not perish . It doesn’t say that whoever figures out exactly what the nature of the Godhead is will be saved. The people that originally gave us the concept of the Trinity struggled with the question ” was there ever a time when Jesus was not?” . In other words was He coeternal with the Father. If he was then he would be God. So where there two Gods? That would mean that we are polytheist as the Muslims like to say. So they had to develop a way to say that God is one but he is also three and thus we have the Trinity. But it may be that we creating a problem that doesn’t exist outside of our imaginations. Did the apostles struggle with this?If they did surely Paul would have addressed it like he did so many other issues.

    • Nancy says:

      Hello Jim:

      Your question was and is, “Is it necessary to understand the mystery of the Godhead to be saved? You quoted John 3:16

      Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

      A very important message here. Whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

      Unless we know who his “begotten Son” is and the reason for his death and resurrection, how can we believe in him? How can we believe in anyone who we don’t really know? We should never put our lives blindly in someone else’s hands. Therefore it is crucial that we know Jesus and who he was. (Because their will be a false prophet who will make us think that it is Jesus in the end, but those of us who know Jesus will know it’s not him) (Matthew 24:4, 5, NKJV).

      If we believe Jesus was part of a Trinity, then we have missed the point of why we are here, why we have to die, and most importantly why Jesus had to die.

      God can never die. I don’t care if one thinks he’s part of a Trinity or not. The fact is, God can never die. So Jesus, can’t be part of the Godhead because Jesus died.

      Jesus had to be human. He had to come from the descendant of David. He had to be tempted like us, in order to be our Judge in the Kingdom of God. He had to go through what every human being has gone through, in order to Judge accurately who is worthy of living in the Kingdom of God forever. Plus nobody could ever see God’s face and live. Even if he split himself in two, to be God and Jesus, he would always be God. His power is TOO powerful to be Jesus or a human being. God can’t die. No part of him.

      Jesus was a perfect man. He was tempted just like us, but he never sinned. If he was God in the flesh, then why did God boast with pride at Jesus’ baptism? How can he put himself beside himself on the throne in Heaven? How could he die on the Cross, yet still be looking down on himself on the cross as he died?

      It is very important to understand the personality of Jesus and understand that he is a pure human man with a spiritual father, but a human mother.

      You say the scriptures don’t say that whoever figures out the Godhead will be saved. But, Jim, it doesn’t have to say that. It is a given, that if you believe the truth. God gave us the Bible to learn the truth. Those seeking the truth would have their eyes opened.

      John 8:32 ESV / 277 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful

      And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

      John 14:6 ESV / 139 helpful votes

      Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

      Matthew 7:7 ESV / 92 helpful votes

      “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

      2 Timothy 2:15 ESV / 91 helpful votes

      Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

      (There was a ton of scriptures, I just stopped at these)

      The Bible gives a ton of information regarding Jesus not being God. Trinity is never even mentioned in the Bible.

      If God wanted us to believe he was Jesus, the Scriptures would relate to Jesus being God in the Flesh. Why hide that fact? What would God’s motive be to hide that fact from us. In the old testament he talked all the time about him being the Only true God, and that he was the Only God.

      Did Jesus pre-exist? Was he the “Word” who was beside God?

      The Hebrew word for “Word” is Breath. God had a plan from the beginning and he developed his plan by speaking, and when one speaks, they use words. God spoke and it became true. The Word was with God and was God.

      God had a plan to send a man, his son, to come and save us from the Sin Adam created. Right from the beginning of the Garden of Eden, God told them so. God never said I’m coming in the future as a man to save ya all. He said he was sending a “Seed”. He was telling us that he was going to send someone.

      In Paul’s time, they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus was God’s Son and not God. Jesus never said he was God. He always referred to himself as “the Son of Man”.

      I know it’s hard to understand because there are some scriptures that make you think that Jesus is God, and the reason for this is because, during Constantine’s day, the Bible scholars changed certain verbs .

      In order to understand the Bible really well, and who God and Jesus are, you have to dig deep into the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. You have to go back to the culture of their time, and their language. You have to know how they thought back then. How they lived back then.

      Look at Revelations. Filled with colorful beasts and dragons, and, even Devils are mentioned in the New Testament. Casting out Devils.

      But back in those days, they believed in witchcraft, fortune telling, pagan beasts. And the devils and monsters were all conjured up because of the Culture of their time when they had many Gods, and Gods that look like horrible beasts.

      Without digging really deep into the scriptures, it truly can be a tough understanding. But I hope I have helped in some way to answer your questions. I pray that I did. That was my intention.

  82. James R says:


    I think that you’ve summed the problem nicely. The early pre-Constantine church, by and large, was clearly monotheistic with the understanding that Jesus existed alongside the Father as the Logos before his incarnation. They didn’t think that just because Jesus came from the same ‘substance’ as YHWH at some point in pre-creation past, they were worshipping two Gods.

    Actually, they were comfortable with the Hebrew concept of a hierarchy or council of heavenly beings or elohim (‘gods’) ruled over by YHWH. As a result, I see scripture as consistently stating that Jesus was the Son of God, but of the same uncreated, God-substance as the Father, just not the Father – they aren’t the same being, nor do they comprise part of any trinity.

    The difficulty came when theologians tried to reconcile accusations of polytheism with the requirement to maintain Jewish monotheism, and not risk any charge of worshipping multiple gods. It became a twisted and counter-intuitive trinity-based interpretation that finally won out with Constantine’s council verdict. This view then became entrenched as orthodoxy.

    • Admin says:

      James – interesting idea, that Jesus came from same uncreated God-substance as the Father. I personally see this as incongruent with the stated facts that he was ‘born of a woman, born under the Law” – Galatians 4:4. I do agree with your observations about how the trinity became orthodoxy. Interestingly, a view similar to my understanding of scripture almost became orthodoxy, but the political and military forces of the day prevented that from happening. I could have been viewed as a ‘true Christian’ instead of a heretic if things had turned out different in the fourth century!

  83. Rya says:

    Help on Hebrews 1:10-12? Anyone?

    • Admin says:

      Good question! Probably the trickiest verse to understand if one believes that Jesus is the Son of God, not God the Son (as I do). All the other verses mentioned by people in the comments are easy to understand if one does not read them with a pre-conceived bias – even John 1 ! (actually, especially John 1). I may write more on this topic soon, given the interest. Thanks everyone for the lively discussion.

  84. toast says:

    Interesting how there are so many erroneous ways of thinking about this – all inherited from somewhere! Nowhere can we prove that the word (John 1) was a ‘person’. The intent of the word ‘logos’ is a message, a reason, saying, expression – in this case, from God. (Look as it is used in all other places – it is never a person, never capitalized) The word is NOT Jesus… the word became flesh… Jesus. He was in the ‘form’ of God. A representation of God – but not God.
    “For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,” 1 Tim. 2:5
    He was not in the beginning, He was born of Mary after the line of David – of which Mary was. There are a few verses that speak of Jesus being as God, but they are misinterpreted and outweighed by a vast number of verses that speak of Jesus being a man sent by God – never being God himself.
    John 1:6 a man also sent from God… John the Baptist. The whole concept of ‘sent’ as Jesus was too, can be misconstrued and taken too far – not literally sent FROM heaven. When He went to the Father at His ascension, He didn’t ‘return’ – no basis for that, He went for the first time to be with the Father at last! The word become flesh, died, risen, transformed – the firstborn of all men.

    • qp says:

      Toast says that “the Word,” as mentioned in John, cannot be proven to mean Jesus, and actually refers to a message from God. This is incorrect. John 1:1 states “. . . the Word was God.” Not only is “Word” capitalized, John states that it was God! The next verse states, “He was in the beginning with God” (John 1:2). If “He” isn’t referring to Jesus, then who was with God before time? John 1:14-15 states, “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testified about Him and cried out, saying, ‘This was He of whom I said, “He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.”‘” Toast says that Jesus “. . . was not in the beginning, He was born of Mary after the line of David . . .” This is not true as John clearly says that Jesus “existed before me.” Toast then goes on to say that the “. . . verses that speak of Jesus being as God . . . are . . . outweighed by a vast number of verses that speak of Jesus being a man . . .” Toast says that verses stating that Jesus is God are false because (apparently) there are more verses stating Jesus as a man. This means that Toast believes there are doctrinal discrepancies in the Bible, therefore putting the entire Christian belief in jeopardy. What other interpretation of “. . . [A] son will be given to us; . . . [a]nd His name will be called . . . Mighty God [and] Eternal Father . . .” could mean something other than that Jesus is God (Isa. 9:6)?

  85. Simon Atton says:

    Hebrews chapter one verse 8:But unto the Son he saith,Thy throne,O God,is for ever and ever:a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
    O God from the original language is ha theos,the very same words used to refer to almighty God.Case closed.Christ is God just as the Father is.

  86. Pingback: God the Son or Son of God – Focused and Free

  87. Eric says:

    Many people believe that Jesus Christ is God the Father… I’m sorry that they believe the wrong thing… Jesus even says in the Bible when talking to Mary “I ascend to my Father and your Father, my God and your God” He is clearly speaking as the Son of God not God the Father himself. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son remember! Jesus is God the Son and the Holy Spirit is God the spirit and God the Father is God the Father… all three are separate entities distinct from one another each with different roles in Gods plan and yet all are “one” because they are one in purpose… meaning all are in perfect alignment with the will of God (what one says the others say exactly) thus each can speak as God.. this is why you periodically here each of them referenced as God in the Bible whether it’s the Father, Son or Holy Spirit but this does not mean they are all God Almighty. Jesus under instruction of the Father created the earth and perhaps other worlds but the Father is the one who created our spirits thus we are all spirit sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father including Jesus and the Holy Spirit . There is only one God Almighty and Christ himself even tells us that the glory should be given to the Father… this is why we pray to God the Father not Jesus or the Spirit.. we pray to our Father in the name of his Son Jesus Christ. Amen

  88. Opal Colvin says:

    Thank you for this website. I am a nontrinitarian Christian and have been for many years. I too have had people whom I believe to be well meaning trinitarian Christians trying to force the argument of their belief on me. It obviously didn’t work, but they tried and on occasion still bring it up to see if they can sway my belief to theirs. They can’t. I love some of them dearly, but the things they say can’t be backed up Biblically. This can.
    One of the major arguments I have heard over the years is that God wouldn’t send someone else to die in his place, because “that would be cruel”. Yet when I have sited that while dying on the cross Jesus asked God “If there is any way you can take this cup from my hand…” (paraphrased) regarding his death, and “Thy will, not mine, be done.” the people who disagree have no viable argument. I have even asked some of the more pushy Trinitarians if they think Jesus was lying while he was drawing his last breaths as a human on the cross. Again, no answer.
    I have also talked to them about Satan trying to tempt Jesus. Satan would not have wasted his time once, much less three different times, if he had not known that Jesus and God were not one in the same. Satan already knew that he could not tempt God, but obviously felt he might succeed in tempting Jesus or he wouldn’t have bothered trying to. Satan knew God well and had already tasted God’s displeasure when God threw Satan out of heaven.
    I have also pointed out to them some of the many verses where Jesus separated himself from God (example: “Why callest thou me good, when only my Father who is in heaven is good.” ) That’s just one example. In the four gospels alone, he verbally separated himself from God several dozen times. Again, I can’t get answers that makes any sense from them on those questions.
    I know that some of my trinitarian Christian friends are trying to believe the truth. I love them but I just can not buy into their line of reasoning. I truthfully hope that if they do have it wrong, as I believe is the case, it will not be held against them when their time for judgement takes place. Regardless of that, it is indeed gratifying to find out that there are so many others who also believe, religiously speaking, as I do. Thank you so much for creating this page. God bless you.

  89. Jenni smith says:

    Jesus never said in the bible that he is God- nor is there anything about the trinity – however I do believe Jesus Christ died for our sins so that we can be saved

  90. Odain S says:

    God revealed this to me at first when I sought him for my self . But then he recently revealed it again to clear my mind from all the falsehoods that I learned in christendom throughout the years and it is this . Jesus is the Christ , the Son of God ! Upon this revelation of truth , Christ’s true chur h is built

  91. Bapsy says:

    This is good discussion and i see some good thoughts here to clear my confusion.
    Is there a way to explain it clear to the trinity people when the use or attack with the following versis?:
    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    John 10:30 The Father and I are one

    John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am.

    And so many more they use to justify the trinity and i think there is better explanation of these verses.

  92. qp says:

    I think it is sad that people are led to believe that Jesus is not God. I would not usually post a comment such as this on someone else’s website that conflicts with their beliefs, but it is too much for me to see people in agreement with the fallacies contained within this article.

    The author states “that Jesus was ‘born’. Scripture never describes His coming into human existence as ‘God turning into man,’ or similar terms.” His first piece of evidence is that Jesus could not be God because He was born, which conflicts with the idea that God is eternal. The author is incorrect: there is scripture to prove that Jesus has always existed. Philippians 2:5-8 states “Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” The verse states that Jesus “existed in the form of God”; this proves that Jesus was God. It also says that Jesus humbled Himself by taking the form of man. How could He do this if He did not exist prior to Mary’s birth, and have the divine power to do so? This verse makes it clear that Jesus did not first come into existence through the virgin birth. The author also says that Jesus could not be God because of His limited knowledge and ability to be tempted. When Jesus “emptied Himself”, He restricted His divine attributes as part of His “taking the form of a bond-servant.” This included his omniscience. The author stated, “The Bible explains that this is the reason that Jesus. . .is to be worshipped by us. . .” Luke 4:8 states “You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.” How can you justify the worship of Jesus if it states that we are to worship God alone? This is because Jesus is God.

    Some more verses that prove Jesus is God –
    Note: All verses are from the New American Standard Version

    Colossians 2:9 – “For in Him [Jesus] all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.”
    Isaiah 9:6 – “. . .And His [Jesus] name will be called. . .Mighty God. . .[and] Eternal Father. . .”
    John 10:30 – “I [Jesus] and the Father are one.”
    John 14:9-10 – “He who has seen Me [Jesus] has seen the Father. . .I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me. . .”

    I hope the evidence I have provided has made you reevaluate your beliefs regarding Jesus.

    • Eric Hansen says:

      Jesus never once says he is God the Son, he does on multiple occasions say that he is the Son of God. Jesus is God because Jesus can act as God. Infact the Father gives his Son Jesus Christ all the keys of Heaven and Earth and even the keys of hell Jesus does have (Rev 1:18) because he trusts his Son completely. Jesus Christ even created this earth under the instruction of the Father. You are absolutely right, the Father and Jesus are one, but what does this actually mean? Be careful here, many people misinterpret this for something it’s not. As you begin to really understand what you are reading, line upon line, precept upon precept with the help of the Holy Spirit as your guide, you begin to put the pieces in place. The Spirit also is one with the Father and is called God the Spirit, but does that make the Spirit the one and only God Almighty? No.. it makes the Spirit ”God the Spirit”, able to act as God and thus why you hear the Spirit as well as Jesus referenced as God in the Holy scriptures, but they (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) are separate and distinct entities from one another, each with different roles. On the cross Jesus cries out to his Father “Father forgive them for they know not what they do” (Luke 23:34) I assure you he was not talking to himself.

  93. Andrea says:

    God’s creation is made by his spirit and his voice. God is the father and his son is the son.
    God is NOT Jesus . I’ve been trying to tell Christians this but they won’t believe, so I felt alone. So Thank you, I also don’t feel alone in my beliefs.

  94. qp says:

    He is not called Jesus because He is of God. He is called that because He is God. All Christians are of God as well, so why would Jesus be called this?

    John 1:12, “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.”

  95. Cathy Wright says:

    I also believe Jesus is the Son of God and not God, but I have a difficult time with John 1:1 that says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. Could someone please explain this verse.

  96. Eric Hansen says:

    no worries Cathy.. John 1:1 in the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God..
    in the beginning before the world was created there was the “word” meaning the word of God which would equate to the Gospel of Jesus Christ here on the earth.. now the word of God was made into flesh meaning Jesus Christ was sent to this earth by his Father to send everyone the message in the flesh so the word was now flesh meaning that Christ was the word walking around telling everyone His Fathers word which was His word because Jesus was a representative of His Father that’s why it’s called the Gospel of Christ when really it comes from the Father.. now this can seem complicated but it’s really not.. ok so you see the Father giving Jesus the keys to Heaven and Earth and the power to act in the Fathers name, this is why in the scriptures you see Jesus referenced as God.. or sometimes the Holy spirit is even referenced as God.. this is merely because they are both one with the Father in other words perfect representatives of the Father, being one in purpose with the Father and being so are in perfect alignment with the will of the Father.. what one says so do the others.. this doesn’t mean they are all God the Father Almighty it just means that all 3 are in perfect alignment with the will of God and all say exactly what God says so they all can act in the name of God and thus can be called God.. so to go a little further you can literally take out of the passage “the word” and insert “Christ” and it would still make perfect sense.. it’s kind of a cool thing.. BTW if you do this you can see how it all fits together.. because Jesus was with the Father while the world was being created and so was the Holy Spirit.. as you can read in Genesis 3:22 “And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil” it wouldn’t say “us” if there wasn’t more then one of them there, or in Genesis 1:2 2 where it says “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters” so as you can see all 3 were there before the world was even formed..
    ok sorry if that explanation wasn’t structured all that great but I’m doing a lot of stuff at the moment and am kinda tired.. anyways thanks for listening to my explanation.. hopefully it helped.. Have a great day!

  97. Naomi G says:

    Thank you for creating this post. I have been cursed, persecuted, judged and condemned for revealing these truths to many who I know in the faith. What I enjoyed about reading this is the clear distinctions that confirms through the word. Also, you have not once denied the Son of God, but you clearly stated his purpose and the authority on which he holds now because He was the sacrifice for the sins of the world and was resurrected by God and now sits at the right hand of the Father. I am so thankful for Jesus Christ and thankful that God gave us His only Son! Great post and I will be sharing. God bless.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *