What I Believe The Bible Teaches For Salvation

  • I believe that the Holy Bible is the written expression of God’s plan and purpose. It is completely inspired and infallible. Any errors are a result of errors in translation.
    2 Timothy 3:16
  • I believe in one God, the God of Israel; that there is no other God, either good or evil; that He dwells in heaven, created everything, and is everywhere present by His Spirit.
    Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29-30; Isaiah 44:6; Genesis 1:3; Job 38:4-7; Psalm 139:7-10; Isaiah 57:15
  • I believe that all men are personally responsible for their own actions, and that sin is the direct result of man’s free-will choice to disobey God’s laws.
    Eze 18:20; Mark 7:15,20-23; James 1:13-15; Genesis 3:9-19; Heb 2:14.
  • I believe that man is mortal and has no continuance of life after death, until and unless he is raised from the dead. I believe that God’s love for mankind is proved by His promise to save us from our inherently sinful and dying condition.
    Genesis 2:7; Psalm 104:29; Psalm 146:4; Eccl 3:18-21; Eccl 9:5-6; 1 Cor 15:20-24,48-53; Romans 3:23-24; 1 Timothy 1:15; 1 John 2:25
  • I believe that God’s promises to Abraham apply to me too:
    – That Jesus Christ is the promised descendant of Abraham by and through whom all would be blessed.
    – That I will, by God’s grace, inherit the land of Israel promised to Abraham and live forever on an earth restored to its original paradise condition prior to the introduction of sin into the world.
  • I believe that to be part of these promises, I must understand God’s message of hope, repent of my former life of disobedience to God, ask for forgiveness of my sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
  • I believe that God has not forgotten His chosen people Israel, and that if they live by faith and accept Christ as their Lord, they too can share in these promises.
  • I believe that God’s Son, Jesus Christ, was conceived by God’s power, the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary; that He lived a sinless life in obedience to God, His Father, in every respect; that He died on the cross for my sins; that God raised Him from the dead; that He was glorified and made immortal and ascended to heaven to sit at God’s right hand until a future appointed time when He will return to earth.
  • I believe that I can do nothing to save myself, that God requires only my faith in Him; that God loves me and that the reality of Jesus’ resurrection and life means I can ask for, and receive forgiveness of my sins from God.
  • I believe that the Bible hope for eternal life is through the resurrection of the dead, and that Christ was the first example of this hope being fulfilled. I believe that eternal life is a future, conditional blessing, not a present possession, and when I am (by God’s grace) made immortal I shall also be incapable of sinning.
  • I believe in the one, indivisible, collective body of Christian believers, who have lived and died through the centuries since Christ, many of whom are presently living; that the Bible refers to this body as the Church (or ecclesia) and that no single denomination exclusively represents this group. I believe we are required to live by faith and obedience, not trusting in our own deeds, and that a life of continued active participation in the church is required of all believers.
  • I believe that Jesus Christ will physically and visibly return to earth to raise the dead in Christ, and, along with those who are alive at His appearing, bring them to the judgment seat to receive either condemnation or the gift of eternal life.
  • I believe that, at that time, Jesus Christ will establish the Kingdom of God on earth for ever; that this Kingdom will be a place of unimaginable beauty and happiness; and that eventually all sin will be destroyed and God will be all things to everyone.

24 Responses to What I Believe The Bible Teaches For Salvation

  1. Lee says:

    I like what you have written and would ask; when resurrected will we be spirit or flesh.
    I do not attend any worldly church but fellowship with a small group. Some believe that Jesus could have sinned but chose not to, how do you answer this? Do you teach that we need to keep the law? Do you approve of keeping Christmas or Easter?

    Thank you,
    Lee

    • admin says:

      Hi Lee,

      Thanks for your questions! I like to think of us as having a ‘spirit body’ at resurrection – similar to when Jesus was raised and appeared to His disciples. Remember that Thomas could put his hand in His side. (John 20:20-27) and Mary, when she saw Jesus at the tomb, thought he was the gardener (therefore he had a bodily form) – John 20: 15-19. At the same time, Jesus was raised to immortality – meaning He had a changed nature as well as body – He was no longer subject to temptation to sin, He was perfected, and He was granted everlasting life by His Father. This is the same for us, too. Paul expresses this in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44: “So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.” (NIV). Paul also makes it clear that this spiritual body is not the same as normal human flesh and blood: 1 Cor 15:50: ” I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. ” The main point here is that our nature is changed instantly at the resurrection, just like it was for Jesus. We will no longer be able to sin or die. We will live forever as morally perfect beings, to God’s glory.

      Regarding whether Jesus could have sinned but chose not to- I believe the Bible clearly teaches this as truth. That is the whole point of Jesus’ victory over sin. If He could not have sinned then His death on the cross was a sham and completely unfair. Hebrews makes this clear:

      Hebrews 2:7 “For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.” Notice the last phrase – He was tempted, meaning He could sin. But he chose not to. He was perfectly faithful and obedient to God throughout His life. Again, Hebrews teaches us this: Hebrews 4:15 “For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin” (NIV).

      This is really why it is so important to understand that Jesus was God’s Son, not God the Son. His victory over sin was real, not fake, because He was made of the same stuff that we are, and faced the same temptations, but he overcame them. See my article Jesus: Son of God not God the Son for more on this topic.

      Also – note that Jesus’ hope is the same hope that we have! That is, the hope of resurrection to eternal life.

      Do I teach that we need to keep the law?

      I’m guessing you are referring to the law of Moses here. The answer is yes and no! No- we don’t need to keep observing the rituals of the law. Instead, we must live by faith – the same faith that Abraham had, for example. Romans 3 and 4 teach this. And, Jesus taught us that He came to fulfil the law. The ‘yes’ part is that many of the principles embodied in the law are still applicable today. For example, Jesus clearly taught it is wrong to practice adultery or to murder someone. In fact, Jesus raised the bar for us, because He taught that we can commit these offences by dwelling on negative thinking. If you look at a woman with lust in your heart you have committed adultery, or if you harbor hatred towards someone you have committed murder. See Matthew 5:21-22.

      The key thing now is that we are under grace. God freely extends His gift of salvation to us. Our duty is to believe in God, to trust Him. Trust is the essence of faith. If we do that, then our faith will be alive, and good works will spring forth from that faith. Ephesians 2:8-10 make this clear:

      “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”

      Many evangelical churches stop at verse 8 – ‘by grace you have been saved, through faith’. What is interesting is how Paul follows this up. He teaches us that, although our works can’t save us, God has created us to do good works. In fact, He has prepared, in advance , all these works for us to do. This is the reason James, in his letter, can write ‘faith without works is dead’. We can’t be saved by works, but we certainly can’t be saved by an inactive faith either, because that really is not faith at all. Faith is active, alive, striving to please God, trusting in Him, yet always recognizing our salvation rests solely on His goodwill towards us.

      Do I approve of keeping Christmas or Easter?

      Again – yes and no! I don’t personally like a lot of the pagan rituals or materialism associated with these times, but if it helps people to think about Christ at all, then to me that’s a positive thing. Clearly there is a lot about Christmas that has nothing to do with Jesus, and there is a lot of inaccurate teaching around His birth, too. For example, it’s highly unlikely he was born on December 25. The shepherds in Israel would not be out in the fields with the sheep at that time of year.

      Regarding Easter- I think remembering the death and resurrection of Christ is way more important than remembering His birth, because we get to think about His whole life and His victory over sin. In addition, both Jesus and Paul told us to remember His death. See Luke 22:14-28, 1 Corinthians 11:1, 23- 26. For this reason I think we should remember Christ’s death at least once a week by breaking bread and drinking wine in remembrance.

      Hope this helps!

  2. Lee says:

    Dear Admin,
    With all your answers I am in basic agreement except one and I would like to send to you some research I have done on this topic for your consideration. Please let me know what you think.
    Lee

    Did Jesus Have A Nature Just Like All Men?

    There are those who teach that Jesus Christ had a nature just like all of us and that in every way he was human, just like all of us.  This leads them to extend this idea to state that Jesus was also a potential sinner just like all of us but that he made right choices and never did sin.  While I believe  Jesus was not God, I see that certain overzealous people have gone too far in trying to prove this.  If these people will read this paper carefully and without prejudging, I believe I can prove to you that in the matter of temptation and the inability to sin Jesus was equal to his Father.
    First, the fact that Jesus never sinned is a dead giveaway that he was unlike every human that has ever or will ever live and to account this to his simply making the right choices is no different than being under the law because the law was a matter of making right choices.  If you are just like Jesus in every way and Jesus made right choices and never sinned then why can’t you do this and never sin?  Jesus could not have been just like us in this matter.  If the saints are to become like Jesus, transformed into his image, then would this not mean that Jesus is different from us if we must change to become like him?  If Jesus was exactly like us in all ways then how could he have been the messiah?  If you or I tried to not sin for a year do you think we could be successful?  If you say yes, then you are deceiving yourself.  He who says he has no sin is a liar and the truth is not in him.  Imagine an ordinary man just like you and I in every way trying to not sin for 33 and one half years.  That would be impossible.  You may say that Jesus had Gods help by the Holy Spirit but do not you as well and still you sin.  Perhaps Jesus had more of the Holy Spirit than any of us but then how much would Jesus need to never sin? 
    Just the fact that Jesus never sinned is a proof that he was not exactly like us in every way.
    The spiritual knowledge Jesus had was remarkable.  Solomon would be an idiot compared to Jesus and indeed Jesus did say, “One greater than Solomon is here”.  Many of the wisest scribes at the temple were amazed at the wisdom of Jesus and this was when he was only twelve years old.  Does this prove that Jesus was exactly like you and me?  In sinlessness and in wisdom Jesus was so far beyond us that we are all sinners and idiots by comparison. 
    Other special abilities like reading men’s thoughts, controlling the forces of nature and all the miracles Jesus did are all signals to us that Jesus was not just like you and me.  I am aware that Jesus did not do these things himself but credited God with these works but when is the last time you did any of these things?  Are you and I so well connected to God that we can perform these acts by using Gods power?  When is the last time you heard a voice from heaven describing you as, “My beloved son in whom I am well pleased.”  Do you have no human father? Were you born by a virgin?  Were there more than 300 prophecies about you in scripture before you were even born? How many things about Jesus make him a person exactly like you and me?  There is only one thing that makes Jesus exactly like you and me and that is that Jesus was a soul.
    There is none righteous, no not one and even the righteousness of the saints is imputed to the saints because of faith in Jesus Christ the righteous, a man exactly like you and me, I do not think so.  Was Jesus righteous?  Do you even know what righteousness is?  It is what God is, righteous, and Jesus is described in scripture as righteous.  Righteousness is the inability to sin, to be incorruptible.  The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God, but Jesus inherited everything God made and was king of the kingdom of God while in the flesh. Jesus had no one die for him, he had no savior.  Jesus had to be righteous in order to go to heaven after his resurrection because the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom or anything else. Are you righteous enough, have you made the right choices so that you inherit all things and become king of the kingdom of God while being a man in the flesh?  Would your death provide for two resurrections of the dead? 
    Jesus was in the tomb for three days and his body did not rot or decay but actually healed while being dead, how about your body when you die?  The body of Jesus was incorruptible so what would that say about his human spirit?  Jesus was a person just like all of us, exactly like us in every way.  If he was, we are in big trouble.
    In the resurrection of the saints we put on incorruption, a resurrection provided for us by a man who was exactly like us in every way and a potential sinner who made the right choices.  Would you not think that if Jesus provides these things for us he would have to possess them himself? If Jesus was a potential sinner then you cannot say he was incorruptible but his body was.  So was his human spirit.
    James 1:13 is used by some to say that since God cannot be tempted and Jesus was tempted not only is Jesus not God but Jesus is also able to sin. The verse says that God cannot be tempted with evil not just God cannot be tempted.  Jesus, by Satan, was tempted with evil.  Satan tried to tempt Jesus to do various types of acts or make statements that were evil but Jesus, never once wavered and triumphed over Satan and was, yet without sin. Satan could not tempt Jesus with evil.  This shows us why Jesus was like his Father and is our hope in a messiah who was the only righteous man who ever lived that gave his life for you and me.  Do you still think Jesus was exactly like you in every way?
    You are a soul, dust and breath, so was Jesus.  Souls are living breathing creatures man and animal. There are many types of souls as there are creatures and add into that the differences of male and female, the color of skin, the physical and mental abilities and this shows that there are as many souls as there are varied creatures.  All are different but all are souls.  God made many types of souls.  The souls of converted and unconverted are different because the converted are new creations in Jesus just as Jesus was the first of a new creation, a new kind of man.  The saints are in a process to become like Jesus to put on Jesus, have the mind of Jesus who had the mind of God.  This mind of God was the righteousness of God manifested in Jesus to us so that through Jesus we can know the Father.  Jesus had to be righteous just like God to do this.  When is the last time you told someone that if they see you they see God the Father?  If you are a saint, they are supposed to see Jesus in you as the Father was seen in Jesus. 

    All the prophets declared many years before Jesus was born that Jesus would be righteous when all the rest of humanity was unrighteous.  Jesus knew the prophets as this was Gods testimony about Jesus.  Jesus knew he could not sin otherwise all the prophecy concerning him would not be a sure word but in doubt.  Imagine Moses or David, knowing that Jesus could have sinned, what it would have done to their faith in all the prophets God inspired concerning the messiah.  People who teach Jesus could have sinned have the benefit of being born after Jesus and not before Jesus so they can rest easy but these saints before Jesus would have been sweating bullets hoping this messiah would not sin and condemn them to death everlasting.  These people do not think how cruel this would be.  Since Jesus cannot sin though these saints of old rest easy and in great faith assured of all the promises.  These men all had faith as Hebrews 11 says and that faith was in a successful messiah who was righteous and sinless, unable to sin; this was a sure hope and a sure word of prophecy.

    Gods Love Proves Jesus Was Unable to Sin
    God is love. The love of God is not like human love and is the nature of God and why God cannot sin and cannot even be enticed to sin. God by his very nature is love and this is what he desires the saints to become.  The living demonstration of that love to us was Jesus Christ.  Jesus had the same kind of love in him as was in his Father.
    KJV Romans 8:39 39.  Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    The same nature God has was in his Son. 
    KJV Ephesians 3:17-19 17.  That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18.  May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19. And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God. (Jesus was the fullness of God in love)

    This Godly love was in Jesus while he was in the flesh.
    KJV Ephesians 5:2 2.  And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
    KJV Ephesians 5:25 25.  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
    KJV 1 John 2:5 5.  But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
    KJV 1 John 3:16 16.  Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his (The life of Jesus) life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
    KJV 1 John 4:8-98.  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9.  In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

    KJV John 13:34 34.  A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
    KJV John 14:21 21.  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
    KJV John 14:2323.  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
    KJV John 15:9-12 9.  As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10.  If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. 11.  These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12.  This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

    Jesus loved his Father and us with the same love that God loved him and us. Godly love is not able to sin and this love was in his son.  Godly love is why Jesus could not have sinned, the very nature of God in a man.  Godly love will not speak, think or do any evil, it cannot sin.  Jesus was our example of this love while a man.  This proves to us that what God has promised He can deliver and shows us the power of God.  Jesus had this Devine nature of Godly love from birth. Christ died for us while we were yet sinners.  The potential to sin is the absence of Gods love.  Whatever is not of Gods love is sin.  Godly love was not all that Jesus had, he also had access to Gods wisdom and understanding of humanity.  Jesus knew about man and understood his weakness and could relate to all the temptations men experience even though he himself was not that way.  God knows all these things about man and is not that way either.  Devine love is to be what the saints are to become at the resurrection and is the guiding force in our human life until that day comes.  Jesus was born with Gods nature of love and was the first of many being the beginning of the true creation of God.  Jesus was one in love with God in perfection.  No human being has Godly love in them except as a gift from God by His spirit and that only in a portion but Jesus in full measure. 
    Paul said Gods love is the fulfillment of the law and that Gods love will do no harm.  Jesus had the same love that God is and was unable to sin because Jesus was the glory of Gods love in the flesh.
    In this way if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father. Godly love is righteousness, it is always doing good and never doing evil, it is being incapable of sin. 
    Jesus was Gods love manifested to us and Jesus was righteous, as righteous as God his Father.  Jesus was not God but he was in righteousness and holiness and love equal to his Father, Jesus in this sense has the mind of God and the saints are to become of the same mind.
    The temptation of Jesus by Satan was not a farce but proof that God was able to make a righteous man to bear the sins of the world who would reveal the nature of God to us as an example for us to follow.
    There are those who say that if Jesus could be tempted he had the potential to sin and that the temptation of Jesus by Satan would be a farce if there was no chance that Jesus could not have sinned.  The temptation of Jesus by Satan was to show us that we had a savior who was unable to sin as God is unable to sin and in this is our hope at the return of Jesus to also be made unable to sin.  God can be tempted but not with evil, Satan tempted Jesus with evil but Jesus remained sinless because Jesus cannot be tempted with evil either.
    Godly love is incapable, unable to sin and this love was in Jesus the man messiah therefore Jesus was unable to sin.  Jesus was born of God, the only begotten son of God, conceived by Gods Holy Spirit but was in the flesh for you and I to see and in this sense God was manifested in the flesh through Jesus Christ. 

    The Spiritual Evolution of the Soul

    KJV 1 Corinthians 15:  38. But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.  39.  All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

    The definition of a soul is a spirit in a body. All forms of life that God created that live, move, and have their being are souls. There are many different kinds of souls among animals and each spirit was designed by God to be with a certain body.  The spirit is the nature of the animal matched to the body of an animal.  The animal man has a higher type of spirit than all other animals that gives man sentience and intelligence above them.  This is how Adam was “like God” but a shadow image of Him.  The spirit in the body is what contains the nature of the soul.  As there are many bodies, there are many spirits.  Bodies and spirits are also flexible or interchangeable as demonstrated by Balaam’s talking donkey and Nebuchadnezzar’s transformation.  All of this proves that God has many options available to Him with souls and can have any type of soul He wishes to create. 
    In the resurrection, the saints will still be souls, a spirit in a spirit body, but of the highest level we can attain, a transformed human spirit unable to sin in a glorified immortal spirit body.  We will still fit the definition of a soul, as do the angels.  Adam and Eve were souls created with the ability of language from the first day of their existence and could communicate with each other, the serpent and the angel in the garden.  This shows that knowledge, thoughts and language were created in their human spirit before they became souls or before their human spirit was placed into the body.  God can do this before or after the spirit is in the body as shown by the confounding of the languages at the tower of Babel and in the inspiration of the prophets and Apostles and all saints.  Therefore, before or after the spirit is in the body God can manipulate what that spirit knows and understands. 

    Souls differ from one another inside and out as exampled by male and female being different bodily and spiritually because men and women have ways about them that are different unless perversion enters the picture.  Other bodily differences are the giants or dwarfs, the strength of Sampson and the color of our skin.  All these beings are very different but all of them are souls. Even carnal man is different from spiritual man and souls do not need to be composed of flesh to be a soul.  One thing is true of all Earthly souls, they die.  The union of body and spirit is a living soul but the destruction of this union is called death and neither body or spirit can operate while separated from each other. 
    A soul is far more than what most people have understood and the options God has for creating them are many.  With all this understanding, can we now look at the soul that was called Jesus Christ and ask just what kind of soul was he. 
    Jesus was a human man, a soul, a human spirit in a human body and in this way, he was made like us all but as shown while we are all souls there can be vast differences.  Human souls come in all shapes, sizes, colors and levels of intelligence and spiritual condition or relationship to God.  Jesus was a special one of a kind fleshly soul never to be repeated again.  Jesus was the only begotten son of God and in this role was created to fulfill a special purpose.  God would have to design the human spirit of Jesus to have contact with Him on a level unknown before or after.  God would make the human spirit of Jesus righteous just as God was righteous otherwise how could the saints be the righteousness of God through Jesus.  This righteousness of Jesus is proven because his human body saw no corruption at death as ours do. Even after the tremendous beating Jesus experienced his body actually while being dead healed for no one shrieked in horror at his appearance after his resurrection.  Jesus possessed his body in righteousness, his human spirit was undefiled therefore if the inside is clean so will be the outside and if the spirit is holy the flesh will be holy.  In comparison to all of us yes Jesus was a soul but unlike us a soul of a higher level as Jesus was the first born of many brethren and the first of a new creation God was making.  Jesus had to be different from us if we are to become like him.  This is why it is very important to discern the body of the Lord at Passover.  The lack of knowledge about souls has led many to not understand the truth about Jesus.  Now we will look at salvation and show the five levels of souls.
    Soul level 1 is the heathen, a soul living in this world totally cut off from God having no knowledge at all of anything spiritual.
    Soul level 2 is the one under the law and having the oracles of God but only shadow knowledge and performs ritual worship using physical things that God gave to symbolize His salvation, the shadow but not the substance. All this waiting to hear the message of the gospel and to come out of shadows into the light.
    Soul level 3 is the converted man, a new creation, a new kind of soul with the Holy Spirit and access to spiritual knowledge, the law having led him to Christ is no longer needed because he has left the shadows to come to the light, he has heard and believed the gospel.  He looks with hope and faith to the resurrection to attain the highest level of soul for him.
    Soul level 4 was Jesus a soul that was created by God in righteousness and true holiness, his human spirit at level 5 and a human body between level 3 & 4 because his body saw no corruption.  Jesus is the only fleshly soul ever at this level and there will be no other.  In order for Jesus to be successful in his mission God had to give him much more than any other soul but there would also be much more required of Jesus, he would have to die.  Jesus was a soul like us all but of a much higher level and would give his life so that we could reach our highest level.  Jesus loved us and gave himself for us.  This is only a part of many proofs that Jesus was messiah and it was in Gods power to make Jesus a special soul and certainly in accordance with His will.  One cannot deny that the soul of Jesus was vastly different from the rest of humanity because the soul of Jesus alone was accepted by God as the sacrifice for the sins of us all.  Jesus was not a soul just like us but he was a soul.  I am a soul and you are a soul but are you exactly like me?  As Goliath differed from David, as Martin Luther King differed from James Earl Ray, as Adolf Hitler differed from Albert Einstein we are all souls but we are not all the same. On the spiritual level Jesus was far above any of us and by reading his words in scripture should prove that.  This article about souls should help us to see that.
    Soul level 5 is what Jesus is now and what the saints hope to become at the resurrection. The human spirit of Jesus was at this level while on Earth but his human body was not and could not enter the kingdom of God. Jesus prayed for this bodily glorification in John 17:5 and he did receive it and is now totally a glorified former human being, a soul that has reached its highest level and from that level works with his church to bring the saints along to follow him into the kingdom of God. All of this is to the glory of God the Father who made it all possible. God has taken the dust of the ground, clay in the potters hands, breathed into it the breath of life and made a shadow image of Himself He called Adam, a soul, a marred vessel and through the process of spiritual evolution produced so far only one glorified man, Jesus the second Adam a vessel as it seemed good for the potter to make.  We the saints are through Adam marred vessels of clay but Jesus did not come through Adam but through God.  Jesus did not need a messiah he was the messiah and did not come through any process to achieve salvation for he was salvation and this should speak volumes to us about what kind of soul Jesus was and still is.  With the exception of now having a spirit body Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

  3. Lee says:

    Admin,

    I have been searching for many years for someone who has a knowledge of the truth that is close to what I have come to know. Your blog contains many things that I am in agreement with. I have a blog also and have written about the things God has taught me. Why can’t we discuss these things with the goal of mutual edification in love?

    Lee

  4. Larry Thomas says:

    Dear Administrator,

    I believe in one eternal God who had a son (Jesus) who was not God but rather the Son of God.

    But who or what is the Holy Ghost? It it God Himself? ,,,or a part of God?…or is it a gift to us sent from God to Guide us (gift of the Holy Ghost)?…or is it a “special spirit” sent to us from from God? God says he will give us a “new heart” and a “new spirit”. Is this new spirit something different from the Holy spirit?

    I wish you would write an artical on the Holy spirit.

    Thanks.

    • admin says:

      Hi Larry,

      I will write a full article on this some time. First, though, the correct term is ‘Holy Spirit’ , not ‘Ghost’ – ‘Ghost’ is from the King James Version, and is an Elizabethan English word. All modern Bible translations correctly translate it ‘Spirit’. I believe the Holy Spirit is the power of God, and can be thought of as the expression of God’s mind. In that sense it is a part of God, just as your mind is a part of who you are. But in no sense is it a separate being or personality, as the doctrine of the Trinity teaches. The “spirit” is a term that is also used as kind of a shorthand for ‘the spirit of holiness’ – in other words, the attitude of mind that promotes being holy – like God. Read Romans 8 for this type of usage. We have similar expressions in English – like ‘a spirit of fear,’ for example, or ‘the spirit of our times,’ meaning the general attitude of our contemporaries in society.

      We can also see that the ‘Spirit of God’ is the creative power of God put in motion by His spoken or written word. Genesis 1 repeats the phrase: “And God said,” and we read of the ‘Spirit of God fluttering (meaning of the Hebrew) over the face of the deep”. See also John 3 where Jesus talks about being ‘born again’ or ‘born of the Spirit’. We all become a new creation in Christ Jesus when we repent, are baptized and commit to following Him – meaning our old lives of sin are put away and we can now walk in ‘newness of life’ with Jesus to His kingdom. See also 2 Corinthians 5:16-21 for more on this idea.

      Hope this helps somewhat.

      • Larry Jeffords says:

        Thanks for the information…God Bless you!

      • cg says:

        please can you tell us more about how to go about this in our daily lives – what does this mean for how we should think and behave? will we feel a sort of transformation? or is it a gradual process of change? many thanks if you can explain this to me. I still have feelings of guilt and of worthlessness of myself as a human being.

        • admin says:

          Thanks for sharing your feelings on this site. I plan on writing a detailed post to address your concerns. But, just for now, let me say that God’s love far exceeds your own human failing. Christ died to save sinners. That includes you and me. We cannot earn our salvation, it is a free gift of God. You are not worthless in God’s eyes- you are precious in His sight. Believe in His goodness, mercy and faithfulness, and believe in the free gift of His Son’s life, death and resurrection, recognizing all your sins can be forgiven in Christ. Hope this helps somewhat. Grace and peace to you.

        • admin says:

          By the way – transformation in terms of your relationship with God is instantaneous – at your baptism. This makes you a child of God, in his eternal care. Transformation of your character and life is an ongoing process, and happens by continually cultivating a close relationship with God through prayer, Bible reading and a committed life of following Christ’s example (realizing you will fail, and God will pick you up!). Read Acts 2:36-39, Romans 6 (especially verses 22 and 23), Ephesians 2:7-10, Romans 8:18-39, and remember Jesus’ words: So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” – John 8:31-32.

        • M Jacob says:

          You might find this article on transformation (on a Christian website called ‘Active Christianity’) useful.
          http://activechristianity.org/this-is-why-transformation-is-the-most-glorious-of-gods-promises/

          As for feelings of guilt and worthlessness, you’re not alone, I found this article incredibly inspiring; it’s from the same website.
          http://activechristianity.org/break-cycle-sinning-forgiveness/

          All the best!

        • Becky says:

          That adsderses several of my concerns actually.

  5. Roya says:

    Dear Admin,

    I’ve been living a pain for the thought that I am the only one who thinks this way, but when I came to this website I felt a sort of relief to know there are actually others who think the same way.

    I am having troubles with everyone else around me because they think differently and I cannot really discuss anything with them. I believe in Jesus, the son of God and the Son of Man, meaning half divine and half man as you explained & as it’s been explained in the Bible. I always believed deep inside that Jesus is not God Himself, and is not the Holy Spirit. I have struggled explaining this to those around me but I failed to convince them because I don’t have a proof but only a feeling, specially because many have interpreted the Bible differently so it’s hard to convince them, although it was clear to me when I read it.

    I tried to find a church that has the same mentality; I don’t know where to go to hear more about this truth being taught. Is there a group or a church that you’d recommend? I’m sorry to ask this question but if there’s an answer I’d truly love to hear it, it’s very important to me.

    I have never been baptized, I want to be baptized in the right church, I don’t know if I’m thinking correctly here or not. Would it make any difference?

    Thanks for reading my post, and I appreciate your answer.

    Roya

  6. Rob Johnson says:

    Hi, you may like to look at my Bible info web pages. I notice that your confession of faith above does not touch on repentance, baptism or remembrance. Sorry to be picky.

    Kind regards
    Rob Johnson
    http://sites.google.com/site/bibleinformation2
    http://sites.google.com/site/thebiblesaiditfirst

  7. Bruce Nelson says:

    I believe that some very profound words spoken by Jesus himself show that he never was God. In John 20:17 Jesus told Mary ” Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go my brethren and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father , and your Father; and to my God and your God.” I am very thankful for this shows also that Jesus is also our elder brother and that as we follow Him we are in His family. One day all true believers will reside in one household for all eternity.
    Thank you for the research in providing the verses proving that Jesus the Son of God is not God. Actually Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man frequently which also provides us with helpful verses.
    An interesting question to ask ourselves is :” When Christ returns how many churches will he be looking for?”

  8. Michael Kim says:

    “Scattered Brethren”…
    It seems there is something happening over these past few years.
    And it seems that it is around this one well known, and overwhelming doctrine of the trinity.
    Perhaps the Scattered Brethren are starting to gather?
    As many of you know, Jehovah’s Witnesses are non trinitarian, as are the Mormons, and many in the Adventist movement such as the Church of God, etc. and a few little odds and ends. Nonetheless, many have quirky, odd and not so scriptural doctrines as well. This has left many of searching for like minded ones. I grew up in a Orthodox (Russian) Christian, and Roman Catholic family, always being one who believed, and worshiped God. By age 30 I was studying with the Watchtower and was a Jehovah’s Witness for over 18 years, only to walk away bewildered over knowing that a number of their doctrines were not well founded, and had just ignored them for many years, until I could not live it any longer. Fast forward to the present and I found myself back going to the Christian Orthodox faith of my youth. Why? Why, when in fact I do not believe the term, “Mother of God” , or in the trinity doctrine, and that Jesus IS God? Because it is this ancient faith structure who gave us the canonized bible that we all use today, and that because there is no argument that Orthodoxy is in fact the early church of at least 120 c.e. And, have you ever read any of the early church fathers? St. John Chrysostom, St Issac The Syrian? His spiritual homilies on the inner life, which have a human breadth and theological depth that transcends the Nestorian Christianity of the Church to which he belonged, are truly amazing and inspiring. There are dozens of men over the centuries who have such inspiring writings who are also believers in this trinity doctrine, yet I cannot believe! Who am I compared to these men? How can they all be so wrong and I and you are right?
    I am in fear daily of believing wrong. God forgive me for my weak faith!

  9. Alma says:

    Like others on this site, it is a relief to find someone who believes the same way. But I would ask your thoughts about the Sabbath. Do you observe it?

  10. Ray Snarski says:

    I believe what you believe,what I read in your post.s. But what about hell? I believe that GOD gave you two choice’s,life or death,If you choose Jesus then you have eternal life.If not then you do not have eternal life,and can’t suffer for eternity.

    • admin says:

      Ray, I agree about ‘hell’ – the Bible ‘hell’ is not Dabte’s 14th Century image of a place of eternal fiery torment. Instead, the word ‘hell’ in the original Old Testament Hebrew means oblivion, or grave. In the Noew Testament Greek, there are several words translated as ‘hell’ in the King James. None refer to eternal fiery torment. I’ll write a more detailed post on the subject later, but the Bible is clear- when you die, you return to the dust, to await the resurrection on the last day when Jesus returns to earth – and rewards the faithful with eternal life, the wicked with eternal death (oblivion).

  11. Nick says:

    Me too !!
    Very glad to stumble onto this site and see that I am not the only one that reads the Bible and comes away with the obvious conclusion that Jesus is NOT God.
    My favourite verse which sums it all up is Luke 22:42
    Jesus is human, and obviously scared of what he will go through soon when he is crucified,
    “Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.”
    An that’s why we are saved, because Jesus chose to do the will of God, over his own…. for us.

  12. cg says:

    Thank you for this site and comments from other readers. It is so clearly said. I have struggled a lot with what human beings are saying to believe, because like others, I feel confused, and I want to get my understanding straight. Like others, my original learning, and belief about Jesus, was that he is the Son of God – being different to us and yet a leader for us to follow. My mind is so simple, these things must be simple for me to understand, and yet I understand so little. Your site says it all so clearly, it is so helpful to me. I thank you. I believe in God, the Father, maker of all things, and His Son, and the Holy Spirit. I have struggled with the idea of the Trinity, because it is not a word that has been used much in the scripture, (unless you can show me.) I can understand the concept that God is all powerful, and as His Son, Jesus is following His instruction, and is mediator for us. but the concept of a three in one – of equal measure, is this true?

  13. LW says:

    Hi all, I am greatly encouraged to find like minded believers who are sincerely searching for the Lord and truth. Like you, I’ve ‘come out’ from the church system and it’s taken several years of confusion to make sense of things. I fully believe Christianity to be a big delusion keeping people from the simplicity of faith and humbly walking with our Father God. Denominationalism cannot be from the Lord. I am encouraged to know others are questioning doctrines and no doubt we still all hold to unique perspectives due to our previous religious environments. Be encouraged. God is so good and he sees our hearts. As we seek Him in private he will guide us and lead us through the Scriptures.

  14. Nancy says:

    Reply to the question asked if we are resurrected in spirit or flesh.

    This is such a good article written by John Roberts a Christadelphian as I am, called “The Bible, Jesus Christ, and You”. Here is his wonderful answer on this subject. By the way, I agree with the Host of this site 100% and he just may be a Christadelphian as well. But here is Brother Roberts answer to this question.

    “Resurrection is not about spirits or floating around on clouds. It is a resurrection to a REAL PERSON AND A REAL LIFE!

    It involves, as it did for Jesus, a TANGIBLE BODY.

    Jesus was Alive !!!

    Revelation 1:18 – I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    1 Corinthians 15:20 – But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

    1 John 5:13 – These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    John 3:16 – For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    John 14:6 – Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    John 20:19-24 – Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.

    He could be TOUCHED.

    John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

    He DISCUSSED (talked) with his disciples.

    Acts 1:3New International Version (NIV)

    After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.

    He ATE with them.

    But the body was different. Instead of blood being the life of the body, it lived by the spirit of God. It was no longer susceptible to pain or disease. It was IMMORTAL.

    Jesus still lives.

    So we will be raised in the flesh but not with blood, but with the spirit of God. We were made in God’s imagine and when we are resurrected we are just getting rid of the worldly flesh and putting on a spiritual flesh.

    The Angels that are seen in the Bible are always depicted as men. But of course they were not made of flesh and blood, but they were indeed men. Remember the three angels that came to Abraham to tell him and Sarah that they would have a son?

    “Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth,” (Genesis 18:1-2).

    Christadelphians do not believe in a Satan. The Hebrew word for Satan is an Adversary. In Genesis, Eve blamed the serpent, and Adam blamed Eve, and then blamed God for him giving him that woman? (Genesis Chapter 3) No mention ever of a Satan involved in the sin.

    When we study the Bible we need to take in the culture and language of that time.

    The Ancient Hebrews of the Old Testament was a community culture of we, us, and ours. They believed in being responsible for their actions. And they were involved with each other. They never blamed Satan for them disobeying God or for their actions.

    In the Modern Hebrew culture, it turned to a me, myself, and I, culture, and by then, people began to think of Satan as a Devil, instead of an adversary, which is what makes us do what we do. WE make ourselves do bad things, not a Devil or a Satan.

    Do you know that God makes good and evil….yep….

    “I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known me; that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace and create evil. I am Jehovah, who does all these things” (Isa. 45:5-7).

    Just something to ponder.

    Nancy Neville
    May God bless all of you and lead you to the truth. Our Lord is coming soon !!

  15. Susan Desjardins says:

    I typed in the world wide web hoping to find “a teaching” that teaches that Jesus is Gods Son and not God himself. I have Many religions under my belt. I have gleaned each and every one of them. Sometimes I think i have a Docturate in Religion by personally learning about many. As I have gotten older I am not so quick witted. My memory fails me. PLEASE tell me your viewpoint on where you believe individuals God finds worthy to enter his kingdom once again.
    It suits well within my spirit with strong belief that those who are dead ( Death is but a little sleep). And the Bible even has instructions ( information), how each will return (the first will be last and the last will be first). Although I have personal beliefs by the religions I have been exposed to does not mean I will not listen.
    It has been quite awhile since you have been on this site and I hope and pray you will see this.
    Sincerely, Susan Desjardins

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