Jesus – Son of God, not God the Son

This entry is part 5 of 5 in the series Bible Truths and Your Salvation

Any discussion about Jesus Christ must be approached with reverence and awe. Jesus occupies a unique place in God’s plan. He is the source of salvation, and central to God’s plan of redemption for mankind. Unfortunately, much of Christianity has misunderstood who Jesus was and is. This misunderstanding does not exalt Jesus, as they might claim, but instead makes a mockery of his life and work. For, if Jesus was God, as many claim, then He didn’t really suffer or die, because God is immortal. Let’s look at some of the facts the Bible teaches us about Jesus Christ, then deal with some of the wrong thinking about Him.

Facts Concerning Jesus

2,000 years ago, in Israel, Mary and Joseph, both descended from King David, were engaged to each other. The angel Gabriel visited Mary and told her that “the power of the Most High” (Luke 1:35) would “overshadow” her, and that she would conceive a child. God’s power (the Holy Spirit) caused Mary to become pregnant. An angel also told Joseph about this great event, and instructed him to name the child “Jesus” (a Greek version of the Hebrew name “Joshua”, meaning “God will save”), because “he shall save his people from their sins”.(Matthew 1:21) Mary was a virgin, so the conception of Jesus was one of the great miracles of scripture. Mary and Joseph did as they were instructed, and the child was born in a manger (feed trough) in a stable in Bethlehem. (Luke 2:7)

Notice that Jesus was “born”. Scripture never describes His coming into human existence as “God turning into man,” or similar terms. Jesus had a very clear beginning of existence, at the point of his conception. So He was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4) , Mary, yet God was His Father. He is called “Son of Man” (Mark 10:45) and “Son of God,” (Matt 27:43, 54) but never “God the Son”.

Jesus grew up as an ordinary child in an ordinary household. By the age of twelve, He had an extraordinary grasp of the Hebrew scriptures (the Old Testament). He was able to confound the religious experts with His understanding of God’s word, yet at the same time He remained obedient to His parents.(Luke 2:41-52)

At the age of thirty, Jesus began His public ministry, teaching the good news (“gospel”) of the Kingdom of God. The ceremony that marked this beginning was His baptism, by His cousin John The Baptist.(Mark 1:1,9). John understood that Jesus was destined to great things, and initially thought that he was unworthy to baptize Jesus, but Jesus insisted that this was the appropriate manner for Him to “fulfill all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15) – in other words, to demonstrate His obedience to God.

Jesus conducted his ministry with the help of twelve hand-picked men called apostles. (Luke 6:13-16). After 3 ½ years He was put to death by crucifixion. (Luke 23:33). This was a form of criminal punishment used by the Romans. (Luke 23:39-41). The Bible is very clear in emphasizing that Jesus did nothing deserving of death. (Acts 2:23-24; Acts 4:10-12; 1 Peter 2:21-24; 1 Peter 3:18). In fact, he lived a completely sinless life. (Hebrews 4:15). By human standards, His execution was completely unjust. However, this was all part of God’s plan of redemption for mankind, and showed God’s complete righteousness. (Romans 3:21-26) We’ll explain
more about this in a later article, titled “The Role of Christ Today”.

After 3 days inside a tomb, Jesus was miraculously raised from the dead. Unlike others who had been raised before him, such as Lazarus (John 11:43-44), He was raised to immortality. After 40 days, He ascended to heaven, from the mount of Olives, which is a hillside overlooking the city of Jerusalem. His disciples watched His ascent, as two angels stood by and told them that, one day in the future, Jesus would return physically and visibly to that exact same spot, to establish the Kingdom of God on earth forever. (Acts 1:9-11).

Jesus is now an immortal, glorified being who sits at the right hand of God, as the head of the Church, and High Priest of all who believe in His name and follow Him. (Hebrews 4:14-16).

Summary of the facts

  • Jesus was born
  • Jesus lived a life of obedience to and dependence upon God
  • Jesus was tempted, in the same ways all of us are tempted, but He never sinned
  • Jesus died
  • Jesus was raised from the dead by God
  • Jesus was made immortal
  • Jesus now sits on the right hand of God in heaven, waiting for the appointed time to return to earth.

These facts demonstrate the clear, simple truth of the Bible: Jesus was God’s son – a very special person, completely unique in mankind’s history- not only because of His family tree, but also because of His total obedience to God. But, Jesus was NOT God ! In fact, scripture is emphatic that He was a separate and distinct person from God:

“There is one God, and one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus” – 1 Timothy 2:5

Why Jesus Cannot Be God

The table below shows why Jesus cannot be God:

Jesus Reference God Reference
Is called ‘Son of God’ Luke 1:35 Is called ‘God the Father’ John 6:27
Was born Luke 2:11 Is from everlasting to everlasting Psalm 90:2
Was tempted Matthew 4:1-25 Cannot be tempted James 1:13-14
Overcame sin Hebrews 4:15 Cannot sin Matthew 5:48
Was obedient to God Philippians 2:9 Is supreme Psalm 24:1
Was seen 1 John 1:1 God cannot be seen 1 Timothy 6:16
Had limited knowledge Matthew 24:36 Knows everything 1 John 3:20
Died Acts 2:23 God is immortal – cannot die 1 Timothy 6:16
Was raised from the dead Acts 2:24 God raised Him ! Acts 2:24
Now sits at God’s right hand Acts 2:33 God’s throne always in heaven Psalm 103:19
Will return to earth Acts 1:11 Is everywhere present Psalm 139:7-16

Jesus Christ Glorified

Jesus Christ is worthy of our praise and devotion because of His life of total obedience to God, and because of the great sacrifice He made on our behalf. Jesus opened the way to salvation for all mankind because He submitted even to the point of death on the cross. (Philippians 2:8).

The Bible explains that this is the reason that Jesus was glorified, and is to be worshipped by us – not because He was God, but because He overcame sin by His sinless life, and so conquered death.(Acts 2:24) Examine these passages closely:

Hebrews 2:9 – But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.”
Acts 2:32-33 – “This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.”
Acts 3:13-15 – “The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him. But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.”
Hebrews 5:8-9 – “Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.”

Jesus Is Our Example

While it is true that Jesus was NOT God, He did show us, by His perfect life and character, what God is truly like. Before Jesus was born, people could know and understand God to a certain degree, but it required a completely obedient Son to fully demonstrate God’s character. (Hebrews 1:1-3). This is what John meant when he wrote “No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” (John 1:18 AV). The Bible also speaks of Jesus being the “likeness” of God, (2 Corinthians 4:4-6) just as Adam and Eve had been created prior to their sinning in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 1:27). He is a true and perfect representation of God’s character. As such, Jesus teaches us by His example how we can be like God – not just by the things He said, but by the way He behaved. And while none of us will ever be able to live completely sinless lives as Jesus did, it does not mean we should stop trying. God has provided us the best example we could possibly have to follow by giving His only Son. This is God’s ultimate expression of love to us,(John 3:16) and we should return that love by trying to live faithful lives of obedience to Christ’s commandments, for God’s glory.

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68 Responses to Jesus – Son of God, not God the Son

  1. Jenny says:

    Amen to that! Someone finally said it! I’ve thought this for years! Thank you — it makes me feel not so alone in my beliefs!

  2. LALA says:

    Amen. This explains well and makes more sense than the other blog I’d just read that was trying to prove “Jesus was God”. Now I can distinguish the truth. Some Christians will argued that “Jesus was God” because God is God and God can do anything including turning himself into a human. But will he really be The God of Love if he does so? No, because he will be like Satan, who thinks he have the power to trick men. God can just destroy anyone who is evil, but no he didn’t he gave human the choice.

  3. joseluis says:

    this is exactly they of my belief, by jesus christ being the son of god, and of course also eternal, with god.

  4. Duane says:

    THANK YOU!!! I have been trying to explain this to others but they refuse to hear it or even want to even make an attempt to understand it. Jesus says over and over that He is the Son of God and yet people completely skip over all of those verses. I have tried to point out one very important verse to them and that is..Matthew 10:33
    “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven”..but they still dont want any part of the truth.

    Thank you and God bless you.

    • ivan williams says:

      I totally agree with this teaching because according to John 1:1 and Genesis 1:2
      Jesus who is also called the Word. was alongside of God in the beginning. And the Holy Ghost also being present, as the Spirit of God that moved upon the face of the waters.
      According to Isaiah 45:5 says, I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me.
      Scripture CLEARLY states that the Jesus and the Holy Ghost are not God or fully God.
      I find that the Trinity and Oneness doctrines are both wrong and that they are misbuilt on the scripture found in 1 John 5:7 the words being, (are) and (one).
      Yeah I know how you feel when the church doesn’t want to see nor hear sound doctrine. After I shared what the Spirit of truth revealed to me, I tried sharing it, then they called other pastors to beat me over the head with scriptures of the bible but yet at the same time I see their misunderstandings of scripture and they themselves don’t see it. I wonder to myself, How is it that they being elders of the church do not see and understand this truth? Here I thought I was the only one that had this revelation of truth that Jesus is not God but is the Son of God and that the Holy Ghost also is not God but is the Spirit of God.

  5. Amen. Right on. That’s Bible truth. See my book about the same, entitled The Restitution of Jesus Christ, at my website.

  6. admin says:

    Thank you, Kermit. It sounds like you and I share a lot of other common beliefs, too. See my page “What I believe the Bible teaches for salvation” – the link is at the top of this blog post.

  7. Steve Connor says:

    I am certainly open to this. My friend has been telling me this for 1 and 1/2 years and I have been rebuking it; however, this blog seems so sensible to me…….thank you I will take further thought on this…….may the Lord continue to bless your ministry. Could you please tell us what denomination you are?

  8. Benjamin Daniel says:

    All things you said has truth in it. You have to say who is Christ?

  9. Benjamin Daniel says:

    All that you said is Biblical but you left out Christ who was existing with God in eternity. That Christ was Jesus’ proved by the apostle paul. Is it not?

    • Donald Lee McDaniel says:

      I like what you write, except for your final words: “That Christ was Jesus’ proved by the apostle paul. Is it not?”.

      You have the words backward: While Jesus is the Christ, the Christ is also Jesus. Jesus [his name] cannot be separated from his title ["the Christ"].

      John says it best when he writes ” Whosoever refuses to confess that Jesus [the man from Nazareth] is the Christ, is of the spirit of antichrist”.

      Jesus IS “the Christ”, and “the Christ” IS Jesus of Nazareth. Period.
      To separate the man from his title is irreverent as well as illogical.

      To say that “the Christ” is different from “the man, Christ Jesus” is to deny that Jesus is truly a man. If we deny his true humanity, we deny him as “the Christ”, since “the Christ” is a true man. If we refuse to confess him [Jesus of Nazareth] as “The Christ”, we are of the spirit of antichrist. 1 John 2-5. Read it, and lay aside the heretical words of Trinitarians.

      Christ Jesus IS “the son of God” for a simple reason: because of his miraculous birth, as Gabriel told Mary [see this in the three synoptic Gospels]. It is NOT that “the Christ” existed as the man, Jesus of Nazareth, from Eternity, but that he [Christ Jesus] was “foreknown” before his birth, NOT “pre-existent as Jesus of Nazareth, or “the Logos of the Father, a Divine Person” before his birth, EXCEPT in the Eternal Plan of the Father [the ONLY true God].

      The Eternal Logos of the Father is NOT a person, it is the Mind and Plan of the Father, which has existed for Eternity [since the Father has existed from Eternity].

      The Plan of the Father was manifested to the world in and through His ONLY Anointed One, a man, begotten for that purpose. The revealed Plan of the Father [Who is the ONLY true God] is shown to us in human form, in Christ Jesus. He is a MAN, like all other men. To call him “God the son” is illogical and hurtful to all souls and churches who embrace the Trinitarian philosophy [for that is what it truly is, “a philosophical concept”, not true religion, and definitely IS a lie of the spirit of antichrist, as well as NOT glorifying to the Father.

      Donald Lee McDaniel

    • Charles says:

      The Christ had to be the son of a man (of the exclusively male line of David). So how could Jesus be the Christ; Jesus was the Son of God!

  10. Tracy Chesser says:

    What branch of Christianity comes closest to preaching / adopting your views set forth? Would be interested in advancing this view that I too have held for a long time.

    • Donald Lee McDaniel says:

      You might check out the “Christadelphians”, who are very Scriptural as to the nature and substance of Jesus the Christ.

      There are many branches of Biblical Christianity who reject the Trinitarian philosophies. Enter “anti-Trinitarian Christianity” in Google to read up on it. By the way, non-Trinitarian Christians are FEW and far-between nowadays. We are called “heretics” by the great majority of Christians. But we praise the Father because of this.

      Donald Lee McDaniel

      • Jenn says:

        Jehovah Witness, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, these religions do not acknowledge Jesus is God. So, you are not that unique. Just another cult among all cults.

        • Brian says:

          And you can also include the cults called baptists, methodists, presbyterians, catholics, lutherans etc. that believe in three gods which they try to explain away in a ridiculous pagan originated belief called the trinity. It’s amazing that these cults also believe in the ten commandments yet will say the fourth one has been changed, because they think man made doctrine can replace GOD’S, when it was the most observed commandment in the whole of Scripture. If you really study scripture and get out of this western churchianity mindset, as well as quit believing that everything you hear in the pulpit is the right on gospel truth, then you’ll discover so much more about GOD. When I finally started researching on my own my whole belief system changed because I wanted to know more about the one true GOD. The GOD of the Holy Scriptures is NOT a trinity of 3 equal, yet distinct persons. YESHUA is the Son of GOD not GOD (see John 17:3). The Holy Spirit is the “power” of GOD, the Spirit of the FATHER not a person. If you cross examine the trinity it just does not hold up in light of scripture.

  11. Praise the Lord. Recently the Lord posted a comment as to who Jesus is. I no longer see it on this site. Could you please tell me why it was deleted? We must not put a stumbling block before God’s people and their salvation for Eternity. Jesus Christ is not God, as many antichrists are preaching. We must stand up for the truth of God’s Holy Word. Thank you, Sis. Barbara

  12. barak hammond says:

    Yes, this is the Bible truth, that Jesus is the Son, and Jehovah God is the Father, Simple as that, The Jehovah’s Witnesses have been teaching this Truth for over
    100 years. This started with Charles T. Russel the founder of the Watchtower
    Bible & Tract Society. The majority of the Churches of Christendom have been
    teaching False Doctrine,especially the Catholic Church. The Bible is very clear that
    the Trinity Doctrine is False.

  13. jeff jeec plazo elliot says:

    Jesus Christ is God.

    • Dianne Alyssa Ambito says:

      Right. I would compare the situation between ants and humans. You would not understand how ants think, feel and act unless you become one of them. In the same way, God took on the form of human flesh so now we cannot say that He cannot understand us whenever we experience trials and temptation. He didn’t need to be baptized with water but He asked John to do it to set an example to the believers (Mark 3:13-15). He’s 100% God and 100% human, that’s why He’s called the Son of God. (Philippians 2:6 says, “who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped” – Bible Hub)

      • admin says:

        God is omniscient (all-knowing). He did not need to ‘come down in human form’ in order to understand us. He always understood us. Jesus, in contrast, ‘though he was a Son, learned obedience through the things which he suffered’ – Hebrews 5:8 – learning about humanity and the human condition – these were the lessons his Father wanted to teach him in order for him to be perfect.

  14. jeff jeec plazo elliot says:

    “There is one God, and one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus” – 1 Timothy 2:5

    • ivan williams says:

      Who is the mediator who stands in between God and man? Jesus. This scripture also testifies that Jesus IS NOT God. Simple to understand.
      That is why Jesus said, No man comes unto the Father but by me. It’s Jesus who gives us access to our heavenly Father.

  15. camden says:

    i am so glad to finally see that i am not alone in the belief that jesus the christ is the son of GOD…as he says he is :)

  16. No says:

    Jesus said “There is ONE WHO IS GOOD, GOD”
    So let me ask you this:
    Is Jesus good?

  17. Iron Will says:

    Finally! Trust me, where I live this is blasphemy and you are labeled a heretic! I love YESHUA, HE is the SON of ELOHIM but HE is not ELOHIM and HE has been given all authority by HIS FATHER WHO is the one and only true ELOHIM.

  18. You missed one very important point in your study, when God (The Holy Ghost) came down and settled down upon Jesus and (remained with him) a voice spoke (God’s voice) and said “This is my beloved son IN whom I am well pleased. IN whom. God entered into Jesus making him the Christ, the anointed one at that point and The Word became flesh right there in the river Jordan. Then in Gethsemane The Spirit of God had to leave him so that he could die as a mortal. On the cross he cried out, “My God, My God, why hast though forsaken me”. That means that God had to abandon His son that me might die as a mortal.

    Melchizedek was without Father without mother having no beginning of days and ending of life. He was called the King of Salem, the King of Peace. Jesus was born and died, of course God can not die he is the only immortal King. But Jesus is known as the Prince of Peace, and the prince is the son of a King.

    No. 1) There is only One God and He is the Father of Jesus Christ, Only One person is God, there’s only One God.
    Exodus 20: 2-3 I am thy God, Thou shalt have no other,
    Deut 6:4 The Lord our God is One Lord,
    John 17:3 The Only True God John 8: 54 he is your God:
    Isaiah 54:5 The Holy One of Israel, Not two, not three but one.
    Romans 15:6 God, even Thy God,
    John 20:17 To my God and your God
    1 Corinthians 8:6 One God, the Father,
    1 Corinthians 15:4& 24 To God, even Thy Father,
    2 Corinthians 1:3 God, even Thy Father
    Ephesians 1:17 God of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all,
    1 Thessalonians 3:13 God, even our Father,
    2 Thessalonians 2:16 God, even our Father,
    James 3:9 God, even our Father,
    2 John 3 From God the Father, Jesus Christ the son of the Father
    Revelations 3:12 My God, my God, my God, my God

    No. 2) Jesus has a God. God is sovereign, He doesn’t answer to anyone. He has no one above Him that is God. Therefore, if Jesus (the Son of God) is God, then why does He speak of another who is God? And if Jesus has a God, then who is this God if Jesus Himself is God? Therefore, Jesus, was not “God the Son”, but He was the “Son of God”. He had a God and that God was His Father and that Father indwelt Him.

    John 20: 17 to my God, and your God,
    Revelations 3:12 My God, My God, My God, my God
    Psalms 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
    Mark 15: 34 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
    Matthew 27:46 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

    Forsaken means “totally abandon”. Can God abandon Himself?
    2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord
    Ephesians 1:3 The God and Father of our Lord
    Ephesians 1:17 The God of our Lord Jesus Christ
    1 Peter 1:3 The God and Father of our Lord
    Hebrews 1:8, 9 God, even thy God, hath anointed
    Psalm 45:6, 7 God, thy God hath anointed thee
    Revelation 1:6 Unto his God
    2 Corinthians 1:3 God of our Lord Jesus
    Hebrews 5:7, 8 Offered up prayers unto him
    Luke 6:12 All night in prayer to God
    Matthew 11:25 O Father, Lord of heaven and earth
    John 17:1 Father, the hour is come
    Matthew 26:39, 42 My Father, if it be possible

    No. 3) Jesus never claimed to be God, but the Son of God.
    Psalms 45:6-7 God, Even thy God hath anointed thee
    Matthew 16: 16 The Son of the living God.
    John 8: 54 my Father whom ye say, that he is your God:
    John 10: 36 I am the Son of God?
    Ephesians 1:3, 17 the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Hebrews 1:8 Unto the Son he saith
    Hebrews 1:9 God, Even thy God hath anointed thee
    Romans 15: 6 God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 8: 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father,
    2 Corinthians 1:3, 11: 31 God and Father of Jesus Christ,
    2 Corinthians 1: 3 God, even Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    1 Peter 1:3 the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
    2 Peter 1: 17 God the Father …This is my beloved Son,
    2 John 1: 3 God the Father, and Jesus Christ, Son of the Father,
    2 John 1:9 hath both Father and the Son.
    Revelations 1:6 Unto God and his father

    And what about Jesus Himself, what did He have to say about his relationship with His own Father?

    John 20:17 my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 2: 16, 5:17,43, 6: 32, 65, 8:19, 28,38,49,54 10:17,18,25, 29,30, 32,37 12:26, 14:2,7,12,20,21, 23, 15:1,8,10,24 18:11, 20:21, “My father

    No. 4) How was Jesus and God one? Answer: God is the Word and His Word is Life, Jesus manifest God’s Word, God’s God-Life.
    John 10: 30–38 I and my Father are one, My father dwelleth in me…
    John 14:8-10 you see me you see my Father, My Father dwells in Me,
    Matthew 12: 18 in whom my soul is…: I will put my spirit on him,
    Mark 1: 11 Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am…
    Matthew 17: 5 This is my beloved Son, in whom I am…
    Matthew 3: 17 This is my beloved Son, in whom I am…
    John 17:11 they may be one, as we are. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, they also may be one in us: 22 the glory which thou gave me I’ve given them; that they may be one, even as we’re one: We are one with God by receiving His Glory. Glory =Greek “doxa” means opinion, values, judgment of God.

    No. 5) God is Greater than Jesus. Jesus was subject to His Father
    John 10:29 My Father is greater than all
    John 14: 28 for my Father is greater than I.
    Matthew 20:23 Prepared of my Father
    1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Subject to Father
    Zechariah 3:8 My servant the Branch
    Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant in whom
    Philippians 2:7,8 as servant
    Romans 5:19 Obedience of one.
    Hebrews 1:9 Thy God hath anointed thee
    Psalms 45:6-7 The God hath anointed thee
    Hebrews 5:7,8 Offered up prayers unto Him
    Luke 6:12 all night in prayer unto God
    Matthew 11:25 O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth
    John 17:1 Father the hour is come
    Matthew 26: 39, 42 My Father if it be possible
    I Corinthians 11:3 The head of Christ is God
    1 Corinthians 3:23 Christ is God’s…
    Matthew 20:23 Not mine to give but my Father
    1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Son himself subject to Father

    Jesus admits the Father is greater than He. This word Greater was translated from Greek word meaning not only “greater” but also “older”. When Trinitarian tells you that Jesus was co-eternal and co-equal with His Father, how can he when the Son himself denied he was. All sons have beginnings. Then how could the Son be the Eternal Father?

    Isaiah 9: 6 (A) “For unto us a child is born”, if born has a beginning, therefore not eternal…if born someone before him to give birth to him. Born suggests pedigree and lineage, also suggest to bring forth.
    (B) unto us son is given: He’s a gift, giver is greater than gift. John 3:16
    (C) government shall be upon his shoulder: Luke 1: 32 called Son of the Highest: Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
    (D) his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Now, let’s examine the last portion which deals with the name of this child, this Son that will be born: Wonderful, (is wonderful a name? No.) Counselor, (is counselor a name? No. It’s a title.) Mighty God, (is Might God a name? ) The everlasting Father, (Is Father a name? No!) The Prince of Peace ( Is Prince of Peace a name? No.) Now, there’s only one name of the Ever Lasting Father, the Mighty God, the Counselor, etc. That name is Jesus. What then does it mean His name shall be “called”. This word “called” was translated from the Hebrew word “qara” which means “To proclaim” His name shall proclaim the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father. Father’s name.

    No. 6) Jesus came in his Father’s name, Father’s name is Jesus.
    John 5: 43, 10:25 I am come in my Father’s name,

    Therefore the name of the Father was Jesus, the same name given to the Son. The Apostle Paul said, “God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto Himself”. He didn’t say God was Christ, but “God was In Christ”.

    2 Corinthians 5: 19 “God was in Christ”, Paul is not teaching here that Jesus was the Fullness of the Godhead, but he is teaching that IN Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead.

    Colossians 2:9 in him dwells all fullness of the Godhead bodily. Peter did not teach that the Holy Ghost was Jesus, but witnessed God the Father spoke and said that He came down and dwelt IN His Son.

    2 Peter 1: 17 God the Father, This is my beloved Son, in whom I
    John 10: 25 works I do in my Father’s name, bear witness of me.

    No. 7) Jesus Prayed to his Father who is God.
    John 14: 16, John 16:26, John 17:9, 15, 20 I pray Matthew 6: 9, Matthew 11: 25, Matthew 14:23, Matthew 26:36, 39, 42, 53, Luke 6:12, Luke 9:28, Luke 11:2, Mark 6:46, Hebrews 5:7,8

    No. 8) Son of God could learn, could increase his knowledge.
    Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience
    Luke 2:52 Jesus increased in wisdom, stature, favor with God…

    No. 9) Jesus was Obedient to his Father in all things. God can not be obedient to anyone outside Himself if He is the Only Omnipotent God.
    Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience
    John 5:17 My father worketh hitherto and I work
    John 5:19 The son can only do what he sees the father do first
    John 5:30 The son can of Himself do nothing
    John 8: 29 I do always those things that please him.
    John 10:18 This commandment received I of my Father
    John 10:25 the works I do in my Fathers name
    John 10:32 works I showed you from my Father
    John 12:49 Father gave me commandment what to say and do
    John 12:50 as my Father said to me so I speak
    John 14:31 The Father gave me commandment

    No. 10) Jesus was made perfect. This means the Son of God could change in His stature, wisdom and maturity.
    Hebrews 5:9 being made perfect, if he was made perfect then he was not born that way. Malachi 3:6 & Hebrews 13:8 God can not change Luke 2:40 the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, (maturity) and in favor (influence) with God and man.

    No. 11) Jesus was not Omniscient, God is Omniscient.
    Isaiah 40:13, 14 Jesus received his knowledge from God
    John 8:28, of that day/hour knoweth no man … but my Father only
    Mark 13:32 of that day/hour knoweth no man…my Father only
    Matthew 24:36 “of that day/hour knows no man, my Father only
    Luke 2:52 Jesus increased in wisdom and stature
    John 5:19 the Son can do nothing but what the Father shows him
    John 8:28 My father hath taught me
    Mark 13:32 no man knows the day, neither the son, the father only

    No. 12) The son of God is subject to God in all things.
    I Corinthians 15:28 the Son also himself shall be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
    John 5:19 The son can of himself do nothing
    John 5: 30 The son can of himself do nothing
    John 8: 29 I do always those things that please him.
    John 10:18 This commandment received I of my Father
    John 12:49 Father gave me commandment what to say and do
    John 12:50 as my Father said to me so I speak
    John 14:31 The Father gave me commandment

    No. 13) Jesus dependent upon Father to restore His Glory.
    John 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. This tells us that he had it but stepped aside from it, and now is asking for it to be restored to Him again. Most notable is the fact that He stripped Himself of all privilege when he came to earth to take on the form of man, and emptied Himself out completely and took on the nature of a bond-slave. The Weymouth Translation says, “Although from the very beginning He had the nature of God, He did not reckon equality with God a treasure to be tightly grasped. Nay, He stripped Himself of His Glory, and took on Him the nature of a bondservant, a man like other men. As a bond slave, the main attribute expressed is submission to the will of the slave owner.

    No. 14) Jesus was dependent upon the will of God His Father.
    Hebrews 10:7 I come to do thy will, O God
    Hebrews 10:9 I come to do thy will, O God.
    Luke 11:2 Thy will be done
    Luke 22:42 Not my will but Thy will be done
    Matthew 6;10 Thy will be done
    Matthew 26:42 Thy will be done
    Matthew 7:21 he that doeth the will of my Father
    Matthew 12:50 whosoever shall do the will of my Father
    John 5:30 I seek not my own will but the will of my Father
    John 6:38 I came down not to do my will but His will that sent me
    John 8:29 I always do those things that please Him

    No. 15) God and Jesus are not one like your finger is one,
    John 5:32 two must bear witness, another beareth witness of me
    John 5:36 another bears witness of me. A greater witness, the father…
    John 5:37 Father himself, which sent me, has borne witness of me
    8:17-18 the testimony of two me is true, I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me

    No. 16) Jesus was dependent upon His Father for His Doctrine.
    John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
    John 10:18 This commandment received I of my Father
    John 12:49 Father gave me commandment what to say and do
    John 12:50 as my Father said to me so I speak
    John 14:31 The Father gave me commandment

    No. 17) The Father sent the Son.
    I John 4:1 Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
    John 5:23, 5:30, 5:36, 5:37 Father sent me, the Father sent me.
    John 6:39, 6:44, 6:57 The Living Father hath sent me
    John 20:21 As my Father sent me
    John 8:16, 18 the Father that sent me
    John 8:29, 42 I did not come of my own but the Father sent me
    John 10:36 Whom the father sanctified and sent into the world
    John 12:49 the Father which sent me
    John 14:24, the Father which sent me
    John 17 :21, 17:25 believe that thou hast sent me

    No. 18) God raised up Jesus from the dead he didn’t raise Himself.
    Acts 2:24, 32 This Jesus hath God raised up
    Acts 3:15, 26 God raised up his son Jesus
    Acts4:10 God raised from the dead,
    Acts 5: 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus,
    Acts 10: 40 Him God raised up
    Acts 13:23, 13:30, 13:33, 13:34, 13:37 God raised him
    Acts 17:31 But God raised him from the dead:
    Ephesians 1:20, 2:6 God raised up Jesus
    Romans 4: 24, 6: 4, 8:11, 10:9 God hath raised him from the dead
    Galatians 1:1 God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
    1Corinthians 6: 14, God raised up 15:15 God raised up Christ
    2 Corinthians 4:14 He that raised up the Lord Jesus from the dead
    Colossians 2:12 God who hath raised him from the dead
    1 Peter 1:21 God raised him up
    1 Thessalonians 1:10 raised up his son

    No. 19) Jesus died, God can not die.
    2 Corinthians 4:10 The dying of the lord Jesus
    1 Thessalonians 4:14 Jesus died and rose again
    John 19:40 they buried the body of Jesus
    John 12:7 Mark 9:31 Mark 10:34 Jesus spoke of his death
    John 19:33 they saw that Jesus was already dead
    I Corinthians 15:3 Christ died for our sins 1 Timothy 6:15-16 Who only hath immortality 1 Timothy 1:17 unto the King eternal immortal invisible

    No. 20) Jesus hungered, thirsted Weary, God Is spirit
    Matthew 4:2, Jesus hungered
    Mark 11:12 he was hungry
    John 19:28 I thirst
    John 4:6. being wearied with his journey
    Psalm 121: 3, Psalm 121: 4 God neither sleeps nor slumbers

    No. 21) Jesus was Tempted, God can not be tempted
    Matthew 4:1 Jesus was tempted
    Mark 1:13 Jesus was tempted
    Luke 4:2 Being 40 days tempted of the devil

    No. 22) Jesus Suffered, God can not suffer
    Luke 24:26, 24:46 Ought not Christ to have suffered
    Acts 3: 18, 17: 3, 26:23 that Christ should suffer
    1 Peter 1:11 Sufferings of Christ
    1 Peter 2:1 Christ suffered for us
    1 Peter 3:18 once suffered for our sins
    1 Peter 4:1, 4:13 Christ hath suffered for us
    1 Peter 5:1 Suffering’s of Christ

    No. 23) Son received Life from Father. Father is author of Life.
    Luke 1:35 that Holy thing shall be called the son of God
    John 5:26 Father hath life in himself; He gave to Son to have life.
    John 6:57 I live by the father

    No. 24) The Man Jesus is the mediator between God and Man.
    1 Timothy 2:5 One mediator between God & man, man Jesus.
    Galatians 3:20 A mediator is not of One, but God is One. A mediator is a 3rd party in dispute between 2 others.

    No. 25) God Exalted Jesus. He who exalts self shall be abased.
    Philippians 2: 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him
    Acts 2: 33, 5: 31 Him hath God exalted
    Matthew23:12, Luke14:11,18:14 Who exalts self shall be abased;

    No. 26) Jesus Anointed Lord & Christ by God His Father.
    Luke 1:31-33 God shall give him his throne Rev. 3:21 On fathers throne
    John 5;22, 5:27 Father commits authority to son to execute judgment
    Acts 2:36, God hath made Jesus both Lord and Christ
    Acts 10:38, 10:42, God anointed Jesus with Holy Ghost,
    Acts17:31 God hath made this same Jesus Lord and Christ

    No. 27) The Son of God is not sovereign, God is sovereign.
    John 5:17 Jesus accused by Jews for working on Sabbath because He healed on Sabbath. His answer is found in verse17. But Jesus answered them, My Father works hitherto, and I work.18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but He said that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 19 Then answered Jesus unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things so ever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Jesus tells the Jews he’s helpless unless the Father shows him what to do. He says, the Son can do nothing. Then the son cannot save, he cannot heal, he cannot redeem, he can do nothing, unless shown by the Father what to do. These are not the words of One who is Sovereign.

    But God is Sovereign. God is Omniscient and Omnipotent.

    1. One who is sovereign answers to no one.
    2. One who is sovereign reigns supreme above all.
    3. One who is sovereign is completely independent of all others.

    Therefore, the Son of God is not Sovereign, God alone is sovereign. Jesus was completely dependent upon his Father to act and speak. He did not have his own words, works, nor doctrine, and he subjected His own will to his Father. It is God that is sovereign and He indwelt his Son who was dependent on Him in all things. God is Omniscient, God is Omnipotent, but his son is always dependent on His Father for everything including; speaking, acting, His doctrine, and even submitting His own will to the Father’s will.

    Jesus said, “Father, I would that you take this cup from me, But not My will but Thine be done”, etc. Those are not words of a sovereign. All scripture speaking of the son show he is not sovereign. John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. Notice Jesus was dependent on God to show Him a vision of what to do.

    John 5:21 For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens them; even so the Son quickens whom The Father wills. John 5:22 For the Father judges no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

    Romans 15:5 The God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

    John 12:44 He that believes on me, believes him that sent me.

    John 5:23 all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which hath sent him. When we honor the Son we honor the Father, because the Son only does what the Father instructs Him to do. Thus what we see is the Father working and the son working hitherto. When we give honor to the son we acknowledge the Father’s pre-eminent role, and the son’s role of complete obedience to His Father.

    John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, & shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
    John 14:10b The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he doeth the works.

    Trinitarians use several arguments to explain how God and Jesus are one like your finger is one. Oneness only do the same, but with a different application. Whereas Trinitarians see at three individuals involved, they try to make them one like a triangle with three corners. But God and His son are one by God’s Word. God is the Word, and His Word was expressed in the person of His son. The following Scriptures Trinitarians use to try to explain a Trinitarian Godhead.

    Philippians 2:6 Being in the form of God Colossians 1:15 The image of the invisible God 2 Corinthians 4:4 Christ, who is the image of God John 12:45 He that seeth me seeth him John 14:9 he that hath Seen me hath seen the Father Colossians 1:19 In him all fullness dwell Colossians 2:9 In him dwelleth all the fullness Hebrews 1:3 Express image of his person

    These scriptures can be broken down into two categories of argument. One, they believe that Jesus was in the form of God means that He is God. This they reason because they do not understand English. A Form or image is not the same as the original. And they do not understand God-life.

    Bible teaches us God placed in the woman’s womb the complete body.

    Hebrews 10:5 “A body hast thou prepared me” (ie: both egg and sperm) Hebrews 1:3 The man Jesus (the body, the son of God) was born with every attribute and characteristic that was in God. In other words, God infused his Divine DNA so to speak, (all that He was intrinsically into the gene pool of the son of God) and therefore that Body was a living breathing replica of the Father, but it was not the father, but in “the Image” of the Father. And if it is an image of it is not the Father Himself. This doesn’t suggest for one minute that Jesus the son of God is God the son. “image” means likeness or impressed character. Jesus was the physical expression of God-Life in the man. His character reflected all that is God or that God-Life could be expressed in a physical body. Therefore, Men could know God’s character e by looking at the life of Jesus. His life revealed holiness, righteousness, justice, love, mercy, loving-kindness, truth, sincerity, and faithfulness. Jesus was godly; He was God-like in character and conduct. Jesus was not God Himself; He reflected God’s character in His life.

    • admin says:

      Hi Brian,

      Thanks for your long and detailed reply, most of which I agree with. One point of difference, though- I believe Jesus became the ‘word madde flesh’ at his birth, not his baptism – that He embodied everything God had to say to mankind. Hebrews 1:1 expresses it that “God spoke to us in these last days by (a) Son’. The Holy Spirit is simply the power of God- not God himself. On the cross, Jesus’ cry of My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” was a quote from Psalm 22. He was experiencing the feeling, but not the reality, of abandonment by his Father. But, upon reading the entire Psalm, we see it ends in hope – “I will praise you in the great congregation”. No doubt Jesus thought through the entire Psalm as He hung on the cross. While all seemed lost, his Father never really left him, and he knew that. At his death, the Spirit (power) of God left him, and he died. So he was always ‘mortal’ – while having a mortal mother and a Divine father. At his resurrection, 3 days later, the ‘mortal puts on immortality’ as God raised him, never to see corruption. The glorified, risen Christ now sits at the Father’s right hand, interceding for believers as their King and Priest – waiting for the day when he will return to earth to welcome all believers into the eternal Kingdom of God on earth.

    • Dianne says:

      I agree with almost all you said and you broke it down perfectly!!! I was in the process of compiling a list of scriptures to show Jesus is the son and not God when I found you kinda did it for me!! One thing I must disagree with, God’s name is not Jesus. Jesus himself was not named Jesus at birth as it was translated to our language rather than keep his sacred name. His given name actually means “Yah’s Salvation” as in Yahweh, the name of God. Jesus was actually named; and don’t quote me as there is a lot of argument as to his exact name; Yahshua. (as in Yah’s salvation) Just wanted to clear that one up. Thanks for all your research and I hope you don’t mind if I copy some of it.


  19. Jenni says:

    Thanks – looks like I am not alone thinking that Jesus is the son and not God almighty.

  20. Mike says:

    Excellent stuff. Amen. I agree. Why do people spend time trying to prove Jesus is God because of what they were taught to believe? I believe that Jesus is not God and neither did he claim to be.

  21. Debbie says:

    Can you please tell me:
    Is saying Jesus is “God the son” the same as saying Jesus is “God”? Are these sayings equivalent or different in meaning?
    Is ‘Son of God’ different to ‘God the Son?’
    Can you say that Jesus is divine but not God? How then is he divine?

    I am trying to discuss this with someone, and admit to some confusion.
    Can you please clear this up?
    thank you

  22. David M. says:

    “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
    But we are told throughout Scripture that God ALONE is to be worshipped, hence if Christ is to be worshipped then, ergo, He IS God. Period.
    But He is NOT the Father. Neither is He the Holy Spirit.
    IF you knew the theological climate truly at the time of Jesus, you’d understand that there was a belief, quite pervasive, that the Godhead might well be a Multiplicity.
    Remember the 3 “Angels” who appeared to our Father, Abraham? Abraham bowed before them and addressed THEM as “My LORD” (singular). It was, as we Eastern Orthodox believe, a theophany of the Most Holy Trinity.
    Many other examples I could give, but time and space forbid it. However, I must agree with the Councils of the Church which say that if anyone deny that God is a Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, let him be anathema.

  23. Brian says:

    To Worship the Son of God does not prove Him to be God. we worship Jesus for what he did not who he is. We also are sons and we do not receive worship as sons. “But IN Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily”. “God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto Himself.” God is Spirit and He is not flesh and blood. But God entered into His Son to express Himself to the world. God in His son could be touched by the feeling of our infirmity. The Body was not Deity, yet Deity came down and dwelt in the body. But the Deity is immortal therefore it could not die, so the Deity left Him in Gethsemane to die a mortal, but that same Deity raised Him up to sit at the right hand of the majesty on high.

  24. Ashley says:

    Thank you so much for this post. It is good to know that there are christians who believe and know the truth about the relationship between God and his Son Jesus Christ. It saddens and angers me for the trinity to be seen as a doctrine of Christianity even though no such teaching is found in the Bible and Jesus makes it clear it he is Gods Son and not God himself. How can people believe a false doctrine instead of what Jesus himself said? The Trinity doctrine has pushed many people away from the salvation Christ offers because of it’s inconsistancy and the confusion that arises from it. Lies confuse. The truth reveals the Love of God and Jesus. Bless you brother! Let the truth be known!

  25. Jennifer Maddox says:

    Praise God. It has been difficult to find other Christians who believe that Jesus is the son of God and not God. I’m searching for a church here in Michigan that believes this and not in the Trinity. My heart is in joy knowing that we all have not been deceived. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

  26. Don says:

    My mother told me to hold fast to the teaching that Jesus was the son of GOD and that there was only one GOD. I have been holding on to this for years, yet have been trouble by the teachings that he was God,Thanks for the post, its nice to know i am not alone in my faith.

  27. Gordon Kruger says:

    I agree entirely with most of the posts on this site that Jesus was the only Son of God which doesn’t require any pre-existence in any form. He was inside of God in some way and the bible plainly teaches that truth. In addition, there is nothing in the “confession of faith” requiring that Jesus be more than the one begotten “Son of God.” All things written of Jesus are fulfilled in him being a human being without sin with God as his Father. The fact that most denominations disagree on this point prove they are in error. Are most professing Christians going to be saved? The answer is no. Jesus said: I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me. Jesus did not make the choice in being born which he would have had he pre-existed. There is also a verse that implies that Jesus found himself to be a man. It says: and being found in fashion as a man etc. He learned this truth and the fact that God was his Father. I no longer have a bible concordance as I wore my old one out and need to replace it. Jesus also said, after the resurrection, that he was once dead and is alive for evermore. Totally meaningless, if he had all this prior to being born. In addition, the trinity people have this problem: If Jesus was God prior to being born he now has an inferior position to God in heaven because Jesus is at God’s right hand and NOT ON THE THRONE!! Also, God tells the Son to sit at His right hand until I (God) make thy enemies thy foot stool. Two separate beings in heaven. Does one God have more power and authority than the other? This is not possible according to Isaiah 43:10 “Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, …..and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” The oldest God is God and no other God’s can ever be formed!! Jesus also said AFTER receiving his spiritual body that he had flesh and bones. The one God is Spirit only. Jesus has a spiritual flesh and bones body. Either that or he is a spirit type and can manifest as flesh and bones as angels can also do the same. See Genesis 18 & 19 and the visit of the three angels that appeared as men to Abraham and two continued on to visit Lot and destroy Sodom etc. Once people have a mindset on believing Jesus is God they misinterpret some scriptures and ignore plain and clear scripture that teach otherwise.
    Even the angels were made subject to Jesus after the resurrection. The simple fact is: Jesus received everything from the one God who is a Spirit, while on the earth and continues to do so. He will rule with full power and authority from God when he returns to this earth, so he can be worshipped as God even though he is less than his Father. The angel that fully represented God in the burning bush that appeared to Moses, could also be worshipped as God, but he wasn’t literally God. God was on His throne in heaven. After Jesus completes his 1000 year reign over humans and his saints on the earth the following happens: (Rev. 21:3) “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.” At this time no flesh and blood humans are left, because death has been defeated!! Notice it says “God himself” in the above quoted verse. Prior to this Jesus is ruling on God’s behalf with full authority, so in effect, God also rules. Remember in Exodus 33:20 that God states that no man can see his face and live. Since all left after the 2nd resurrection are “as the angels” God can return to the perfect earth and be seen. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 explains that Jesus must reign UNTIL he hath put all enemies under his feet and the last enemy is DEATH. Jesus then turns the kingdom over to the literal God and rules with God for eternity. Men are the ones that even before all the apostles died, began perverting the scriptures. How far has the TRUTH been perverted in 2000 years of false preachers? Organized religion is totally wrong on the pre-existence belief and many other teachings. They are walking in darkness be refusing to give God the worship that belongs to Him only. The confusion on who Jesus was and still is mainly lies in a false understanding of the book of John plus Hebrews c. 1 etc. The word in Hebrews 1 is “logos” and means something said etc. Well, God did indeed speak everything into existence as noted in Genesis. God’s Spirit and “Spoken Word” are an extension of the one God and are part of Him, not separate beings!! Why must men take vague scripture and ignore clear verses when they study a subject? Much more could be said. I have a short bible study on this subject, plus the Sabbath day, 3 Days and Three Nights, Resurrection etc. Many good studies are found on the internet, but most are a mixture of truth and error, so one must prove all things by studying the bible to separate truth from error. Love Gordy

    • Dianne says:

      Would love to hear your thoughts on the Sabbath. I am a believer of the 10 commandments as God’s royal law still standing and unchanged. There is plenty of scripture, yes even in the new testament, to back it. Just wanted your thoughts since you mentioned it.


      • Robert Janecke says:

        The Sabbath was a day of rest for the Jews as part of the Law (Exodus 20:9-11). It was given as a sign between God and the Jews (Exodus 31:13-17; Deuteronomy 5:15; Ezekiel 20:12).

        But the Sabbath rest of the Old Testament is also a picture of the rest from works for salvation that New Testament believers now enjoy in Christ (Hebrews 4:1-11). For this reason there is no New Testament teaching by the Apostles (after Pentecost) about keeping the Sabbath. Paul writes in Colossians that the Sabbath was a shadow of things to come that were fulfilled in reality in Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).

        • admin says:

          Jesus also refers to himself as ‘Lord of the Sabbath, ‘ an indication His person and work transcends Sabbath observance.

  28. hello says:

    This is a website leaving out so much important scripture in their attempt to destroy the true divinity of Jesus.

    Note: Muslims remove divinity of Jesus as well

    Not sure that Jesus, a man, deserving worship… isn’t a pagan concept? But Jesus, God, deserving worship is def more plausible. Let us reason

    1.) The apostle Timothy 3:16
    Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He (clearly God) was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

    2.) Jesus Himself when being tempted by satan in Matthew 4:7
    Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”

    ^^ So would Jesus rebuke the devil saying he is not to temp God if he isn’t God?!

    3.) Gospel of John 1:1-3
    “In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God…. and the Word became Flesh”

    This one goes with number 1, where Timothy reassures us of this. So lets do simple math.
    Word = God
    Word = Flesh
    SO HOW CAN ONE SAY say Flesh does not = God after reading this passage.
    Flesh = God if both are = to Word

    NOTE: THE WORD BECAME FLESH. Not flesh was there as Jesus then the Holy Spirit entered the flesh and turned the flesh into the Word as I see some people are trying to convince us on this page…

    4.) John 8:58
    “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

    5.) Isaiah 9:6
    For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    What?! He shall be called Mighty God… But isn’t God?! What?!

    6.) YHWH, or yahweh
    Check that out if u really are interested.

    7.) The word for God in Hebrew, Elohim, has a plural connotation to it, hence it was very easily accepted by Christian Jews in the begining to understand Father, Son, Holy Spirit as different aspects of God. LIKE FLESH AND SOUL within humans, same and 1 tho different. It is called the Mystery of God for a reason…

    8.) Genesis 3:8
    Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

    The Lord God was walking?! We were made in His image and we walk… We look like God if we were made in His image, and Paul says

    9.) Paul in Colossians 1:15-16
    The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see–such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.


    The issue here is not knowing the Hebrew language, and the Hebrew names of God. Elohim, plural… Yahweh, not plural. If you watch that video I posted this is explained.

    The father would be better understand as an almighty Force all things are subject to, and Jesus the image (or Son) of that almighty Force, and the Holy Spirit the power of that Force if you will, present in all believers.

    • Alan says:

      Why can’t Jesus be Son of God and yet divine? The definition of divine is god-like.

      During Jesus’ time on earth, why did he clearly differentiate himself from God (examples: no one knows the time, not even the Son. Only the Father).

      Which is the greater sacrifice: to sacrifice oneself or to sacrifice your own son/flesh and blood?

      Read the bible with 2 views:
      1. Jesus = Son of God = God the Father
      2. Jesus = Son of God. Divine. Fully man and fully god

    • Robert Janecke says:

      I’d like to try to respond to your statements with another way of looking at what you presented. God has given us as much revelation about Himself as probably we could understand for now… before we meet Him personally. We need to be careful in our discussions with each other to realize the limited knowledge that we have.

      First of all you are right about our Lord Jesus being deserving of worship. The Bible says that God has ordained the worship of His Son, Jesus… see Hebrews 1:6 and Philippians 2:9-10.

      In regard to your numbered statements:
      1.) In 1 Timothy 3:16 there are variances in the Greek manuscripts and translations of what you pointed out… “He (clearly God)”. Some use “He”…”Who”…”God”…or “Which”. All we know for sure is that it was Jesus who was “manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.”

      2.) When Jesus quoted the Bible in Matthew 4:7 about not putting the Lord your God to the test…couldn’t He be referring to the fact that He (Jesus) shouldn’t shouldn’t throw Himself down and expect God to send His angels to catch Him? See Psalm 78:17-20 about testing God by expecting Him to do something for us.

      3.) In John 1:1 we see a distinction between God and Jesus that is repeated throughout the Bible which we need to respect in our limited view of God… i.e., “the Word was with God”. For instance there are numerous verses showing Jesus at the right hand of God: Mark 16:19… Acts 2:3… Acts 7:55-56… Romans 8:34… Colossians 3:1… Hebrews 10:12… 1 Peter 3:22. We also see this distinction in the end time Scriptures: Revelation 11:15… Revelation 22:3… Ephesians 5:5

      John 1:1 starts out with, “in the beginning”. But when is this referring to? Genesis 1:1 starts out with “In the beginning” at the beginning of the creation of the world. 1 John 3:8 says that “the devil has sinned from the beginning”.

      John 1:1 ends with, “the Word was God”. Is the past tense used here because Jesus “came forth from God” as the Bible says in John 16:27-30 and John 17:8? Hebrews 11:3 tells how God spoke the worlds into existence through His word. Perhaps Jesus came forth from God as the Word of God, and became flesh as the Son of God.

      4.) John 8:58 is another verse that can be translated in different ways. Strongs shows the Greek word that is translated “am”, has the meaning “to be, to exist, to happen, to be present”. The Living Bible translates the verse… “The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born!”

      5.) Isaiah 9:6 calls Jesus “Mighty God”. Jesus refers to others who were called “gods” in His defense against the Jews who were ready to stone Him… John 10:30-36. Jesus was referring to Psalm 82 to men who God had raised up to righteously judge His people… but weren’t. Hebrews 1:8-9 which is quoting from Psalm 45:6-7, says, “But to the Son He says: ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness… therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than your companions…” Jesus is the righteous judge who God has given all judgement to… John 5:22-23.

      7.) The word for God in Hebrew, Elohim, has a plural connotation to it. We know that God spoke the worlds into existence through His word… Hebrew 11:3… 1 Corinthians 8:6… John 1:3… John 1:10… Colossians 1:16… Hebrews 1:2. Many also believe that Jesus spoke the words of YHWH/yahweh/Jehovah/LORD in the Old Testament as the “Angel of the LORD” (compare Exodus 3:1-6, Exodus 23:20-23, Acts 7:30-38, and 1
      Corinthians 10:1-4). John 1:18 says that, “No one has seen God at any time”; Jesus spoke the words of God as “the Angel of His presence” (Isaiah 63:9) in “the form of the LORD” (Numbers 12:6-8). I can see why Elohim is shown as plural.

      8.) I don’t know enough about God to comment on this.

      9.) Paul in Colossians 1:15-16… again shows the distinction between God and Jesus that we need to respect in our understanding of God. Colossians 2:9 says that in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily… but then Colossians 1:19 says, “For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell…” So we see a sameness, but a distinction.

      So again I say that there is a lot about God that we don’t know. It’s good to share verses with each other to learn all that we can, but it’s no use arguing about a God who can’t be explained in words.

  29. Robert Janecke says:

    The most important truth in the Bible is the truth of salvation that God has provided through Jesus. What does it take for salvation? Nowhere is taught about believing that Jesus is God, but rather that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:30-31; 1 John 4:15; 1 John 5:5; Acts 9:19-20).

  30. jenkins sahayam says:

    jesus is jehovah in flesh, an immortal god had to become a mortal man to bring salvation

    • admin says:

      Not sure why that has to be the case. Bible texts to support your opinion would be helpful. John 3:16 seems to sum it up to me- no mention of an immortal god there.

    • Nathan says:

      Salvation is 100% required for mankind but from whom and how? Can we sacrifice ourself to ourself to save Mankind? If your statement “jesus is jehovah in flesh, an immortal god had to become a mortal man to bring salvation” kindly explain.

    • cindi says:

      I’m sorry but God don’t HAVE to do anything. So to say he has to,,is incorrect.

  31. tuimanua says:

    what u mean that God is not the Son………john 1. 1

  32. Beverly says:

    Thank you! This is exactly what I have struggled with.

    I am NOT comparing myself or anyone else to Jesus. It is impossible to do so. None of us even remotely come close. However, when I call Jesus the son of God I mean it in the sense that we are all God’s children and he is our father.

    I do not know any passages that will back up my post. This is what I believe.

  33. Michael Sherron says:

    St. John 17:3, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (KJV)
    Noting how clear that scripture is to me in understanding Yahweh, Jehovah God and who Jesus the Christ is, it’s the following scripture that has been most personal to me that touched my heart over ten years ago when my eyes were opened to the truth.
    After spending over twenty years in the church singing praising the Lord and reading, preaching, and teaching God’s Word over time, I have never been moved to tears when I read the scriptures until, I came unto the understanding of the truth and read this…

    “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
    St. John 17:23 (KJV)

    Wow! God loves ME as much as He loves Jesus!


  34. romona says:

    do you have a church, really like to start one so god can move,who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth.God is so good at last at last at last some other no the truth too.

  35. Brittney says:

    Okay I’m so glad to find I’m not the only person who knows Jesus is not God. But I do have on verse that I can’t understand. John27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
    I don’t know how to explain this to someone else when I don’t understand it myself.

    • Brittney says:

      sorry I meant to say John 20:27

    • Robert Janecke says:

      The best way to answer questions about a Scripture is with other Scripture from God’s Word. If you go to page 40 in the book at the following website, and read the section under “A New Role,” maybe it will help.

      You can also download the whole book in PDF form (recommended) there. The book tries to show the truth about Jesus, and God’s plan for us through him, by using Scripture rather than church tradition.

  36. Vidi says:

    Let’s take this one step further

    The sacrifice of Gods Son, Jesus Christ, was the fulfillment of the covenant God made with Abraham.

    God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his beloved son to demonstrate Abrahams love for God. Abraham obeyed, but was stopped by God.

    God then had to demonstrate His love for mankind in the same fashion, sacrificing His beloved Son for us.

    If Jesus and The Father are one, then the sacrifice is not met in the same fashion. God did not ask Abraham to sacrifice himself, and therefore, God could not sacrifice Himself to fulfill the promise.

  37. Just discovered this entry today. I have a similar entry on my blog entitled “God the Son or Son of God?” I will add a ping-back to your article to mine.

    Suggested reading: “Divine Truth or Human Tradition? A reconsideration of the Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity in light of the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures.” by Patrick Navas. Author House (print on demand) ISBN 978-1-4634-1521-1 (534 pages not counting the appendices). Patrick did his homework! He has debated with Dr James White on this topic.

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  39. Kimberly Kifi says:

    I believe in the Jesus Christ the Son of God. Do any of you who also believe fellowship with others. My brethren and I would love to meet others who also believe.

  40. DYB says:

    Very glad to have come across the blog! It came up in a search I made. The search was “Jesus Son of God not God Himself”. It was the absolute first link on the search! I have been searching and praying, for a long while, for others that knew the truth. I have been going off and on to a nondenominational church. The pastor speaks much truth…things I know are truth. But when they do worship with music…some of the verses of some songs are like vinegar to my ears ( which is a weird example…but that’s how I can describe how bitter to my ears they are) The verses of some songs actually call Jesus God and some even go as far as to call Jesus Father! It’s gotten to the point where I feel stressed about going because I know that I’ll have to sit there and hear these things that I know aren’t true. I have much, much, MUCH to add on this blog and will DEFINITELY be back! It’s rather late and so will discuss more at a later time. Real quick before I leave…in an above post I read a few saying they wanted to worship together, being that we had found each other, and it is rare these days to find others in which the truth cannot be compromised. May I suggest that we can indeed have fellowship with each other HERE. Let us consider this a congregation, of sorts.

    Your Sister in Christ

  41. cindi says:

    I am so very thankful to God that I have found this blog. I go to a christian chat site and have been going there for over five years. I have gotten into many arguments, discussions, and debates over the truth of God’s word.
    I got to a point where I would ask God with anger. Please tell me your truth. The trinity belief is so powerful and made since to so many people , it made me question my belief. At same time that little voice inside of me said, No. Jesus is not God himself.
    So I kept asking God to show me in his word, the bible. Show me your truth. And for about two weeks, off and on I would open my bible in morning while drinking my coffee. And would ask God prior to opening my bible, please show me your truth.
    And each time I would open the bible, it opened to John 20.17, which reads. “Touch me not for I have not yet ascended to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God”
    So that was my answer from God about his truth. He was Jesus’ father and God. He is my God and father. I don’t see how any more simple it could be.
    I know there are alot of verses in the bible that point to Jesus being God and alot point to him not being God. But God is a logical God and I see things logical. If it doesn’t make perfect since, it can’t be what was done.
    And God is a simple God, non confusing, all Spirit. And Jesus was and is, the only begotten Son of God. The lamb of God. The word of God. The mediator between God and man.
    And i strongly believe that God entered Jesus’ body when he was lead into the desert after being baptised, and tempted for forty days. In the OT, a woman who gave birth was unpure for forty days, and was made pure, and this is where I believe Jesus’ body was made pure for God to dwell within him. And at some point before he was crucified, God left him. Maybe at the transition on the Mt. not sure. But when Jesus gave up the Ghost on the cross, God was not with him. He died a human sacrifice. Just like he told Abraham to do with his son. God always used symbolism.
    Anyway, so glad i found this and I thank God that I am not alone in my beliefs.

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